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Finances / Finanzen » uk.finance » Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot.
Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368481] Do, 09 März 2006 13:51
Crowley  
Does our "Dave" really think he is helping first time buyers obtain an
over priced box by getting into bed with 'Fat' Kirsty Allsopp the
biggest house price ramper on the telly ? The man's a fool and even
more star-struck' than Bliar.

Talking of which Bliar again wiped the floor with 'Dave' at yesterdays
PMQ's swatting him away like a fly. Poor Dave, the honeymoon's over and
we can all see what a lightweight he is.

Flu-ridden Cameron cancels visit
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4788884.stm
A "bad dose of flu" has forced Conservative leader David Cameron to
cancel a visit to meet first time buyers in Leeds.
Mr Cameron was to join TV presenter Kirstie Allsopp to unveil plans to
help people onto the property ladder
..........................................

Hasn't 'Dave' just come back from 2 weeks paternity leave, and now he's
'off' with the flu ? Not only is he naive and lightweight he's also a
feckin skiver to boot.

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?act=SF& s=&f=22
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368494 ] Do, 09 März 2006 15:22
Tumbleweed  
"Crowley" <crowalas1234 [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1141908719.306064.66740 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Does our "Dave" really think he is helping first time buyers obtain an
> over priced box by getting into bed with 'Fat' Kirsty Allsopp the
> biggest house price ramper on the telly ? The man's a fool and even
> more star-struck' than Bliar.
>

Whenever I'veen that program they usually get the buyer the property at
below the asking price, so i fact she is helping decrease house prices!

--
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Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368495 ] Do, 09 März 2006 15:28
Crowley  
Tumbleweed wrote:
> "Crowley" <crowalas1234 [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1141908719.306064.66740 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> > Does our "Dave" really think he is helping first time buyers obtain an
> > over priced box by getting into bed with 'Fat' Kirsty Allsopp the
> > biggest house price ramper on the telly ? The man's a fool and even
> > more star-struck' than Bliar.
> >
>
> Whenever I'veen that program they usually get the buyer the property at
> below the asking price, so i fact she is helping decrease house prices!

It's suposed to be a buyers market so you would expect to get below
asking price. I don't watch all their progs, though the missus does,
but from what I have seen the great negotiaters Phil and Kirsty think
they are being daring asking for 5% off whereas I'm seeing many owners
cut prices by 10/15% and still not selling.

In one recent location prog Kirsty and Phil encouraged the buyers to
offer 350k in a sealed bid on a property with a guide price of 250k.
These buyers won the bid but later found out by accident that the next
highest bid was almost 100k below theirs ! Not surprisingly they pulled
out.

K and P can be very damaging to your wallet.
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368496 ] Do, 09 März 2006 15:43
Tumbleweed  
"Crowley" <crowalas1234 [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1141914493.498071.256090 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Tumbleweed wrote:
>> "Crowley" <crowalas1234 [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1141908719.306064.66740 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> > Does our "Dave" really think he is helping first time buyers obtain an
>> > over priced box by getting into bed with 'Fat' Kirsty Allsopp the
>> > biggest house price ramper on the telly ? The man's a fool and even
>> > more star-struck' than Bliar.
>> >
>>
>> Whenever I'veen that program they usually get the buyer the property at
>> below the asking price, so i fact she is helping decrease house prices!
>
> It's suposed to be a buyers market so you would expect to get below
> asking price. I don't watch all their progs, though the missus does,
> but from what I have seen the great negotiaters Phil and Kirsty think
> they are being daring asking for 5% off whereas I'm seeing many owners
> cut prices by 10/15% and still not selling.

Unsurprising, after people have seen a fair number of houses the ones they
are likely to want to buy are likely to be the ones that will command the
highest price (Or narest to asking price) , all other things being equal.

>
> In one recent location prog Kirsty and Phil encouraged the buyers to
> offer 350k in a sealed bid on a property with a guide price of 250k.
> These buyers won the bid but later found out by accident that the next
> highest bid was almost 100k below theirs ! Not surprisingly they pulled
> out.
>
> K and P can be very damaging to your wallet.
>

Didnt see that one. I suppose that was in Scotland (because it was sealed
bid??)
From what I've read, in Scotland, 'guide prices' on sealed bids are nearly
always a long way below what the property actually goes for, so maybe they
were just unlucky and had a small no of buyers in that case? Or perhaps
"hands up" K&P screwed up on that occasion, no one is perfect. They've also
showed K&P having low offers turned down as well so you cant say they arent
making low offers.



--
Tumbleweed

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Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368500 ] Do, 09 März 2006 16:17
Ivan  
"Crowley" <crowalas1234 [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1141908719.306064.66740 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Does our "Dave" really think he is helping first time buyers obtain an
> over priced box by getting into bed with 'Fat' Kirsty Allsopp the
> biggest house price ramper on the telly ? The man's a fool and even
> more star-struck' than Bliar.
>
> Talking of which Bliar again wiped the floor with 'Dave' at yesterdays
> PMQ's swatting him away like a fly. Poor Dave, the honeymoon's over and
> we can all see what a lightweight he is.
>
> Flu-ridden Cameron cancels visit
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4788884.stm
> A "bad dose of flu" has forced Conservative leader David Cameron to
> cancel a visit to meet first time buyers in Leeds.
> Mr Cameron was to join TV presenter Kirstie Allsopp to unveil plans to
> help people onto the property ladder
> .........................................
>
> Hasn't 'Dave' just come back from 2 weeks paternity leave, and now he's
> 'off' with the flu ? Not only is he naive and lightweight he's also a
> feckin skiver to boot.
>

IMO it should have been David Davies, brought up by a single parent on a
council estate, done a load of different jobs, seems to me to be the sort of
qualities which are desperately-needed in today's politics.


> http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?act=SF& s=&f=22
>
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368501 ] Do, 09 März 2006 16:24
Crowley  
Ivan wrote:
> IMO it should have been David Davies, brought up by a single parent on a
> council estate, done a load of different jobs, seems to me to be the sort of
> qualities which are desperately-needed in today's politics.

He does seem to have more 'substance' to him than Cameron but the
useless Tories opted for Bliar Mark II : 'Dave' the shiny-faced, PC,
casual, tie-less, middle-of-the-road, multi-culti-loving,
'metrosexual'. I suspect many of them are already beginning to regret
it.
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368505 ] Do, 09 März 2006 16:29
Richard Faulkner  
In message <47arr7Fel1reU1 [at] individual.net>, Tumbleweed
<thisaccountneverread [at] yahoo.com> writes
>
>"Crowley" <crowalas1234 [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:1141908719.306064.66740 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> Does our "Dave" really think he is helping first time buyers obtain an
>> over priced box by getting into bed with 'Fat' Kirsty Allsopp the
>> biggest house price ramper on the telly ? The man's a fool and even
>> more star-struck' than Bliar.
>>
>
>Whenever I'veen that program they usually get the buyer the property at
>below the asking price, so i fact she is helping decrease house prices!
>

Then we hear that the buyer decided not to go ahead. If those two had
ever approached me as an agent, they would have got short shrift;

"We'll make an offer of "X" provided you take the property off the
market and cancel this afternoons viewings"

I cant believe agents are naive enough to fall for this, and they dont
actually have time to comply with the estate agents act by getting their
clients instruction in writing.

The whole thing beggars belief.

--
Richard Faulkner
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368507 ] Do, 09 März 2006 16:49
Christian Konrad  
In message <1141917848.869272.4290 [at] p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
Crowley <crowalas1234 [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes
>He does seem to have more 'substance' to him than Cameron but the
>useless Tories opted for Bliar Mark II : 'Dave' the shiny-faced, PC,
>casual, tie-less, middle-of-the-road, multi-culti-loving,
>'metrosexual'.

Does that mean he couples in the back of an Austin?

--
Timothy
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368513 ] Do, 09 März 2006 18:34
Stephen Horgan  
Crowley wrote:
> Does our "Dave" really think he is helping first time buyers obtain an
> over priced box by getting into bed with 'Fat' Kirsty Allsopp the
> biggest house price ramper on the telly ? The man's a fool and even
> more star-struck' than Bliar.
>
Actually he was launching a series of policies to help first-time
buyers. Doing so with a well-know TV personality in the field is just
sensible politics.

> Talking of which Bliar again wiped the floor with 'Dave' at yesterdays
> PMQ's swatting him away like a fly. Poor Dave, the honeymoon's over and
> we can all see what a lightweight he is.
>
Cameron nailed Blair at PMQs.

> Hasn't 'Dave' just come back from 2 weeks paternity leave, and now he's
> 'off' with the flu ? Not only is he naive and lightweight he's also a
> feckin skiver to boot.
>
Either you don't have children, or you don't care about the ones that
you have. Most fathers take some time off when they have a new baby.
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368516 ] Do, 09 März 2006 18:51
Ivan  
"Crowley" <crowalas1234 [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1141917848.869272.4290 [at] p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> Ivan wrote:
> > IMO it should have been David Davies, brought up by a single parent on a
> > council estate, done a load of different jobs, seems to me to be the
sort of
> > qualities which are desperately-needed in today's politics.
>
> He does seem to have more 'substance' to him than Cameron but the
> useless Tories opted for Bliar Mark II : 'Dave' the shiny-faced, PC,
> casual, tie-less, middle-of-the-road, multi-culti-loving,
> 'metrosexual'. I suspect many of them are already beginning to regret
> it.
>

I'm just reading that at least Cameron's wife Samantha grew up on an
estate..... oh dear, I see it was a 300 acre estate, owned by her father
wealthy landowner Sir Reginald Sheffield.
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368517 ] Do, 09 März 2006 18:53
Crowley  
Stephen Horgan wrote:
> Crowley wrote:
> > Does our "Dave" really think he is helping first time buyers obtain an
> > over priced box by getting into bed with 'Fat' Kirsty Allsopp the
> > biggest house price ramper on the telly ? The man's a fool and even
> > more star-struck' than Bliar.
> >
> Actually he was launching a series of policies to help first-time
> buyers. Doing so with a well-know TV personality in the field is just
> sensible politics.

A well-known TV personality who has made a living out of ramping house
prices to the detriment of those first time buyers
>
> > Talking of which Bliar again wiped the floor with 'Dave' at yesterdays
> > PMQ's swatting him away like a fly. Poor Dave, the honeymoon's over and
> > we can all see what a lightweight he is.
> >
> Cameron nailed Blair at PMQs.

LOL
>
> > Hasn't 'Dave' just come back from 2 weeks paternity leave, and now he's
> > 'off' with the flu ? Not only is he naive and lightweight he's also a
> > feckin skiver to boot.
> >
> Either you don't have children, or you don't care about the ones that
> you have. Most fathers take some time off when they have a new baby.

Paternity leave then 'flu' there's a pattern emerging here. When's he
going to put a full week in ?
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368545 ] Do, 09 März 2006 21:57
Gordon  
"me [at] privacy.net" <me [at] Privacy.Net> wrote
>In message <1141917848.869272.4290 [at] p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
>Crowley <crowalas1234 [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>He does seem to have more 'substance' to him than Cameron but the
>>useless Tories opted for Bliar Mark II : 'Dave' the shiny-faced, PC,
>>casual, tie-less, middle-of-the-road, multi-culti-loving,
>>'metrosexual'.
>
>Does that mean he couples in the back of an Austin?
>
Or a Manchester Tram?
--
Gordon Harris
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368577 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 10:17
Stephen Horgan  
Crowley wrote:
> Stephen Horgan wrote:
> > Crowley wrote:
> > > Does our "Dave" really think he is helping first time buyers obtain an
> > > over priced box by getting into bed with 'Fat' Kirsty Allsopp the
> > > biggest house price ramper on the telly ? The man's a fool and even
> > > more star-struck' than Bliar.
> > >
> > Actually he was launching a series of policies to help first-time
> > buyers. Doing so with a well-know TV personality in the field is just
> > sensible politics.
>
> A well-known TV personality who has made a living out of ramping house
> prices to the detriment of those first time buyers

That is ridiculous. She wouldn't last long on her kind of programme if
she did that.

> >
> > > Talking of which Bliar again wiped the floor with 'Dave' at yesterdays
> > > PMQ's swatting him away like a fly. Poor Dave, the honeymoon's over and
> > > we can all see what a lightweight he is.
> > >
> > Cameron nailed Blair at PMQs.
>
> LOL

In fact Cameron usually nailed Blair at PMQs.

> >
> > > Hasn't 'Dave' just come back from 2 weeks paternity leave, and now he's
> > > 'off' with the flu ? Not only is he naive and lightweight he's also a
> > > feckin skiver to boot.
> > >
> > Either you don't have children, or you don't care about the ones that
> > you have. Most fathers take some time off when they have a new baby.
>
> Paternity leave then 'flu' there's a pattern emerging here. When's he
> going to put a full week in ?

The 'pattern' is of a father who cares about his newborn baby and then
caught a cold. It's not as if he was spending three weeks in Barbados.
This sounds like sour grapes that the Conservatives are getting some
momentum.
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368578 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 10:26
Crowley  
Stephen Horgan wrote:
> Crowley wrote:
> > Stephen Horgan wrote:
> > > Crowley wrote:
> > > > Does our "Dave" really think he is helping first time buyers obtain an
> > > > over priced box by getting into bed with 'Fat' Kirsty Allsopp the
> > > > biggest house price ramper on the telly ? The man's a fool and even
> > > > more star-struck' than Bliar.
> > > >
> > > Actually he was launching a series of policies to help first-time
> > > buyers. Doing so with a well-know TV personality in the field is just
> > > sensible politics.
> >
> > A well-known TV personality who has made a living out of ramping house
> > prices to the detriment of those first time buyers
>
> That is ridiculous. She wouldn't last long on her kind of programme if
> she did that.

Come off i, she works for Channel 4 half their content is property
programmes ramping the market
> > >
> > > > Talking of which Bliar again wiped the floor with 'Dave' at yesterdays
> > > > PMQ's swatting him away like a fly. Poor Dave, the honeymoon's over and
> > > > we can all see what a lightweight he is.
> > > >
> > > Cameron nailed Blair at PMQs.
> >
> > LOL
>
> In fact Cameron usually nailed Blair at PMQs.

Granted he started off well but has since gone off the boil and in
Cameron's last 2 PMQ's Blair, sadly, regained the upper hand.
> > >
> > > > Hasn't 'Dave' just come back from 2 weeks paternity leave, and now he's
> > > > 'off' with the flu ? Not only is he naive and lightweight he's also a
> > > > feckin skiver to boot.
> > > >
> > > Either you don't have children, or you don't care about the ones that
> > > you have. Most fathers take some time off when they have a new baby.
> >
> > Paternity leave then 'flu' there's a pattern emerging here. When's he
> > going to put a full week in ?
>
> The 'pattern' is of a father who cares about his newborn baby and then
> caught a cold. It's not as if he was spending three weeks in Barbados.
> This sounds like sour grapes that the Conservatives are getting some
> momentum.

Not at all, I would like to see him beating Blair and taking on the
Government as it is crucial for the health of our country that Nu
Labour don't win another election. I realise you're a Tory and you want
to support your leader but you must be a little worried that now the
honeymoon period is over Cameron is revealing signs of being all front
and little substance.
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368580 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 10:56
Robert  
> In one recent location prog Kirsty and Phil encouraged the buyers to
> offer 350k in a sealed bid on a property with a guide price of 250k.
> These buyers won the bid but later found out by accident that the next
> highest bid was almost 100k below theirs ! Not surprisingly they pulled
> out.

>> Didnt see that one. I suppose that was in Scotland (because it was sealed
bid??)

If it was Scotland they wouldn't have been able to pull out. The
convention there is that bids are not "subject to contract": you make
an offer, buyer accepts, contract is made.

Robert
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368584 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 11:23
Stephen Horgan  
Crowley wrote:
> Stephen Horgan wrote:
> > The 'pattern' is of a father who cares about his newborn baby and then
> > caught a cold. It's not as if he was spending three weeks in Barbados.
> > This sounds like sour grapes that the Conservatives are getting some
> > momentum.
>
> Not at all, I would like to see him beating Blair and taking on the
> Government as it is crucial for the health of our country that Nu
> Labour don't win another election. I realise you're a Tory and you want
> to support your leader but you must be a little worried that now the
> honeymoon period is over Cameron is revealing signs of being all front
> and little substance.

No such signs; what we have are published principles for policy,
detailed policy in a few areas, like first-time buyers, and wide
ranging policy reviews including outside experts. Hardly 'all front'.
Most importantly, the Conservative party is doing fine in Council
by-elections and in the media generally. The way you 'nail' Blair is by
beating the Labour party at the ballot box, and that is what Cameron is
about.
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368586 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 13:49
Tumbleweed  
"Crowley" <crowleyalastair [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1141982789.352897.223220 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Stephen Horgan wrote:
>> Crowley wrote:
>> > Stephen Horgan wrote:
>> > > Crowley wrote:
>> > > > Does our "Dave" really think he is helping first time buyers obtain
>> > > > an
>> > > > over priced box by getting into bed with 'Fat' Kirsty Allsopp the
>> > > > biggest house price ramper on the telly ? The man's a fool and even
>> > > > more star-struck' than Bliar.
>> > > >
>> > > Actually he was launching a series of policies to help first-time
>> > > buyers. Doing so with a well-know TV personality in the field is just
>> > > sensible politics.
>> >
>> > A well-known TV personality who has made a living out of ramping house
>> > prices to the detriment of those first time buyers
>>
>> That is ridiculous. She wouldn't last long on her kind of programme if
>> she did that.
>
> Come off i, she works for Channel 4 half their content is property
> programmes ramping the market


Even if that was true, which it obviously isnt, but we'll let your hyperbole
pass, you'd have to demonstrate that the specific show she was on 'ramps the
market'. Since in most cases they try and pay under the asking price, and
often talk about things such as how the fact that a property has been for
sale for some time gives them leverage to offera lower price,
self-evidently they do not talk prices up.

--
Tumbleweed

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Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368595 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 17:22
Crowley  
Stephen Horgan wrote:
> Crowley wrote:
> > Stephen Horgan wrote:
> No such signs; what we have are published principles for policy,
> detailed policy in a few areas, like first-time buyers, and wide
> ranging policy reviews including outside experts. Hardly 'all front'.
> Most importantly, the Conservative party is doing fine in Council
> by-elections and in the media generally. The way you 'nail' Blair is by
> beating the Labour party at the ballot box, and that is what Cameron is
> about.

I'd like nothing more than to see Bliar (or his relacement) hammered at
the ballot box but I'm not sure Cameron's got it in him. We shall see.
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368596 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 17:24
Mabon Dane  
Hello Crowley

Labour will not survive the next General Election.

Mabon Dane
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368597 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 17:34
Crowley  
Tumbleweed wrote:
> Even if that was true, which it obviously isnt, but we'll let your hyperbole
> pass, you'd have to demonstrate that the specific show she was on 'ramps the
> market'. Since in most cases they try and pay under the asking price, and
> often talk about things such as how the fact that a property has been for
> sale for some time gives them leverage to offera lower price,
> self-evidently they do not talk prices up.

Kirsty and Phil did a programme 3 or 4 months back when they visited 10
towns across the UK and claimed (ludicrously) that house prices in all
of them would rise by between 50% and almost 100% in the next 5 years
eg Hull to rise by 47%, Bleaunau Ffestiniog to rise by 97%. If that's
not ramping then what is ?

As for their Location programme their idea of a "cheeky offer" is 5%
off ....... in a buyers market ! Often they advise the clients to
offer the asking price to ensure they 'don't lose it' See my example
earlier in this thread where they encouraged an offer 100k above the
next one.

Admittedly they have gone slightly more bearish in recent months (well
Phil has) but they can hardly do otherwise nowadays can they, even they
are finding it hard to deny that the credit fuelled party is coming to
an end ? I doubt they're the ones left with the debt hangover though.

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?act=SF& s=&f=22
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368598 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 17:35
Crowley  
Mabon Dane wrote:
> Hello Crowley
>
> Labour will not survive the next General Election.
>
> Mabon Dane

God Bless you sir :-)
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368619 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 21:04
Tumbleweed  
"Crowley" <crowleyalastair [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1142008451.499725.18980 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

>
> Kirsty and Phil did a programme 3 or 4 months back when they visited 10
> towns across the UK and claimed (ludicrously) that house prices in all
> of them would rise by between 50% and almost 100% in the next 5 years
> eg Hull to rise by 47%, Bleaunau Ffestiniog to rise by 97%. If that's
> not ramping then what is ?

Its a prediction? I didnt see the programme but I'm going to hazard a guess
it was along the lines of 'house prices are static or falling but here are
10 places where there is still potential for them to rise'...and whose to
say they aren't correct with absolute knowledge? I certainly know two
locations where houses in particular sectors (to-let for students) are still
rising AFAICS (Manchester and Lincoln, before you ask). Was I right or was I
right?

>
> As for their Location programme their idea of a "cheeky offer" is 5%
> off ....... in a buyers market ! Often they advise the clients to
> offer the asking price to ensure they 'don't lose it' See my example
> earlier in this thread where they encouraged an offer 100k above the
> next one.

Thats your one example so far. More generally, if you offered *anyone* 20%
off, you'd be told to take a hike, since the folks in question actually want
to buy these houses, then doing that might be regarded as pointless.


>
> Admittedly they have gone slightly more bearish in recent months (well
> Phil has) but they can hardly do otherwise nowadays can they, even they
> are finding it hard to deny that the credit fuelled party is coming to
> an end ? I doubt they're the ones left with the debt hangover though.
>

I see, if they say prices are rising they are ramping the market, if they
say they are static or falling'they can hardly do otherwise ' so in either
case they lose? Why dont you accuse them of 'talking down the market' in the
latter case?

--
Tumbleweed

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Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368633 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 10:45
Crowley  
Tumbleweed wrote:
..

> "Crowley" <crowleyalastair [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1142008451.499725.18980 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >
> > Kirsty and Phil did a programme 3 or 4 months back when they visited 10
> > towns across the UK and claimed (ludicrously) that house prices in all
> > of them would rise by between 50% and almost 100% in the next 5 years
> > eg Hull to rise by 47%, Bleaunau Ffestiniog to rise by 97%. If that's
> > not ramping then what is ?
>
> Its a prediction? I didnt see the programme but I'm going to hazard a guess
> it was along the lines of 'house prices are static or falling but here are
> 10 places where there is still potential for them to rise'...and whose to
> say they aren't correct with absolute knowledge? I certainly know two
> locations where houses in particular sectors (to-let for students) are still
> rising AFAICS (Manchester and Lincoln, before you ask). Was I right or was I
> right?
>
> >
> > As for their Location programme their idea of a "cheeky offer" is 5%
> > off ....... in a buyers market ! Often they advise the clients to
> > offer the asking price to ensure they 'don't lose it' See my example
> > earlier in this thread where they encouraged an offer 100k above the
> > next one.
>
> Thats your one example so far. More generally, if you offered *anyone* 20%
> off, you'd be told to take a hike, since the folks in question actually want
> to buy these houses, then doing that might be regarded as pointless.
>
>
> >
> > Admittedly they have gone slightly more bearish in recent months (well
> > Phil has) but they can hardly do otherwise nowadays can they, even they
> > are finding it hard to deny that the credit fuelled party is coming to
> > an end ? I doubt they're the ones left with the debt hangover though.
> >
>
> I see, if they say prices are rising they are ramping the market, if they
> say they are static or falling'they can hardly do otherwise ' so in either
> case they lose? Why dont you accuse them of 'talking down the market' in the
> latter case?
>
> --
> Tumbleweed
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Sorry if I caused offence TW, I didn't realise you were such a big fan
of the gruesome twosome ;-)

To make amends here's a link to some KIrsty fans discussing their idol.
Enjoy !
http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=2 5672
Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #368643 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 17:56
Gordon  
Mabon Dane <mdane [at] h2009.com> wrote
>Hello Crowley
>
>Labour will not survive the next General Election.
>
>Mabon Dane
>
They didn't survive the 1997 election.
This is a Tory government if ever I've seen one.
8-(

Peerage anyone? 'Ow much ya got?
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Re: Cameron shows his naivety again. What a useless idiot. [message #373474 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 10:59
pete  
In article <1141984599.027115.306010 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Robert <robertmlaws [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>> In one recent location prog Kirsty and Phil encouraged the buyers to
>> offer 350k in a sealed bid on a property with a guide price of 250k.
>> These buyers won the bid but later found out by accident that the next
>> highest bid was almost 100k below theirs ! Not surprisingly they pulled
>> out.
>
>>> Didnt see that one. I suppose that was in Scotland (because it was sealed
>bid??)
>
>If it was Scotland they wouldn't have been able to pull out. The
>convention there is that bids are not "subject to contract": you make
>an offer, buyer accepts, contract is made.
>
Aye, right! If that were only true.

Pete

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