| Re: Crooked estate agents exposed. Sleaze and spivs thrive in Blair's Britain. [message #373802] |
Mi, 22 März 2006 09:43 |
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Richard Faulkner wrote:
> In message <1142979399.018799.297120 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> Crowley <crowleyalastair [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes
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> >It was pretty hard hitting. Repercussions methinks.
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> What kind of repercussions?
A few sackings at Foxtons this morning
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| Re: Crooked estate agents exposed. Sleaze and spivs thrive in Blair's Britain. [message #373809 ] |
Mi, 22 März 2006 12:35 |
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In message <1143017023.696317.240740 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
Crowley <crowleyalastair [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes
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>Richard Faulkner wrote:
>> In message <1142979399.018799.297120 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> Crowley <crowleyalastair [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> >
>> >It was pretty hard hitting. Repercussions methinks.
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>> What kind of repercussions?
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>A few sackings at Foxtons this morning
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At the end of the show they said that quite a few had, (conveniently),
left.
I couldnt understand the forgeries of landlords signatures on tenancy
agreements - I've not signed a tenancy agreement in 2 years - my agent
does it on my behalf.
Overvaluing and then getting prices down is actually a necessary part of
the job and is dictated by the local competition.
If someone wants to pay more than a property is worth, that is their
problem, and their surveyors, and not the estate agents.
Managing expectations is also a necessary part of the job, although
blatant lying is not necessary.
Absolutely nothing would change if Estate Agents had to have a
qualification - they are currently subject to The Estate Agents Act and
The Property Misdescriptions Act, an Ombudsmans Scheme, (some), amongst
others. They obviously arent implemented well enough - so what makes
people think that a qualification would make any difference.
The blame lies fairly and squarely with Trading Standards, and
ultimately the government, (who are busy pissing about with the Home
Inspection Report which will also achieve little). It could also lie
with the general public who dont make enough genuine complaints to
Trading Standards.
I think most complaints are about the fees charged - but these are made
clear in the initial letter of instruction, so not really complainable.
And so on........
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Richard Faulkner
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| Re: Crooked estate agents exposed. Sleaze and spivs thrive in Blair's Britain. [message #373811 ] |
Mi, 22 März 2006 13:43 |
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In uk.finance Crowley <crowleyalastair [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Richard Faulkner wrote:
>> In message <1142979399.018799.297120 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> Crowley <crowleyalastair [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> >
>> >It was pretty hard hitting. Repercussions methinks.
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>> What kind of repercussions?
> A few sackings at Foxtons this morning
Sackings? I expect arrests at the very least. Some of that stuff was
slam dunk fraud for financial gain.
FoFP
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| Re: Crooked estate agents exposed. Sleaze and spivs thrive in Blair's Britain. [message #373816 ] |
Mi, 22 März 2006 18:12 |
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Richard Faulkner <richard [at] estate.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>The blame lies fairly and squarely with Trading Standards
Hear, hear.
It's not a surprise that in a capitalist economy some companies cross
the line into criminality. It's why we have, and need, regulators to
implement the law.
There is nothing worse than a regulator which pacifies consumer fears
but does not react to criminality.
Trading Standards complaints
<URL:https://ssl.certifiedmail.com/ (s5ehh5r0rbgdq055akvlnn55)/form.aspx?co=699&frm=case& ;ri=LR&to=advice >
Complaints about Trading Standards <URL:http://www.FaxYourMP.com/>
Daytona
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| Re: Crooked estate agents exposed. Sleaze and spivs thrive in Blair's Britain. [message #373830 ] |
Mi, 22 März 2006 22:03 |
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In message <dvrgp9$6rj$1 [at] scotsman.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes
<fofp [at] holyrood.ed.ac.uk> writes
>In uk.finance Crowley <crowleyalastair [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Richard Faulkner wrote:
>>> In message <1142979399.018799.297120 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Crowley <crowleyalastair [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>> >
>>> >It was pretty hard hitting. Repercussions methinks.
>>> >
>>>
>>> What kind of repercussions?
>
>> A few sackings at Foxtons this morning
>
>Sackings? I expect arrests at the very least. Some of that stuff was
>slam dunk fraud for financial gain.
>
>FoFP
>
It will be interesting to see what happens - probably not much.
I have often said that if Trading Standards investigated, (mystery
shopper), all estate agents, they would get many cases and convictions.
In the same way, if the revenue investigated taxi drivers and corner
shops, and other cash businesses, they would find some mega frauds.
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Richard Faulkner
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| Re: Crooked estate agents exposed. Sleaze and spivs thrive in Blair'sBritain. [message #373853 ] |
Do, 23 März 2006 15:47 |
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Richard Faulkner wrote:
>> Sackings? I expect arrests at the very least. Some of that stuff was
>> slam dunk fraud for financial gain.
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>> FoFP
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> It will be interesting to see what happens - probably not much.
No or it would have happened already. They can always claim the defence
of agent provocateur or something. The most serious issue was the
sharing of information between John Hunt's various businesses which
should at least merit a look from the DP registrar and the business with
the forged passport - which the Jill Dandoesque journalist may need if
she doesn't want to end up with the same fate as her former colleague
after this program was aired.
As Richard has said a number of other practises are standard for agents
and in a lot of cases the market will regulate - after all everyone
knows that estage agents are dodgy geezers so you never trust anything
they say. Collusion between agents to fix the local market would have
been more worrying.
I live in France where it takes 2 years to qualify as an estate agent -
I think standards are higher but so are costs - 7% of property price is
a typical commission. Agents are considered crooks here too but that is
partly Mr Frenchman's dislike of parting with his hard earned for
invisible services.
David - a satisfied client of Foxtons btw.
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| Re: Crooked estate agents exposed. Sleaze and spivs thrive in Blair's Britain. [message #373998 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 10:54 |
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:35:44 +0000, Richard Faulkner
<richard [at] estate.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <1143017023.696317.240740 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
>Crowley <crowleyalastair [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>
>>Richard Faulkner wrote:
>>> In message <1142979399.018799.297120 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Crowley <crowleyalastair [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>> >
>>> >It was pretty hard hitting. Repercussions methinks.
>>> >
>>>
>>> What kind of repercussions?
>>
>>A few sackings at Foxtons this morning
>>
>
>At the end of the show they said that quite a few had, (conveniently),
>left.
>
>I couldnt understand the forgeries of landlords signatures on tenancy
>agreements - I've not signed a tenancy agreement in 2 years - my agent
>does it on my behalf.
>
>Overvaluing and then getting prices down is actually a necessary part of
>the job and is dictated by the local competition.
>
>If someone wants to pay more than a property is worth, that is their
>problem, and their surveyors, and not the estate agents.
>
>Managing expectations is also a necessary part of the job, although
>blatant lying is not necessary.
>
>Absolutely nothing would change if Estate Agents had to have a
>qualification - they are currently subject to The Estate Agents Act and
>The Property Misdescriptions Act, an Ombudsmans Scheme, (some), amongst
>others. They obviously arent implemented well enough - so what makes
>people think that a qualification would make any difference.
>
>The blame lies fairly and squarely with Trading Standards, and
>ultimately the government, (who are busy pissing about with the Home
>Inspection Report which will also achieve little). It could also lie
>with the general public who dont make enough genuine complaints to
>Trading Standards.
>
Trading Standards are incompetent lazy buffoons.
--
Peter Saxton from London
peter [at] petersaxton.co.uk
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| Re: Crooked estate agents exposed. Sleaze and spivs thrive in Blair's Britain. [message #374008 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 12:23 |
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In message <ollc22tik6eb8jjcq760adkdqm97vv9m3d [at] 4ax.com>, Peter Saxton
<peter [at] petersaxton.co.uk> writes
>>The blame lies fairly and squarely with Trading Standards, and
>>ultimately the government, (who are busy pissing about with the Home
>>Inspection Report which will also achieve little). It could also lie
>>with the general public who dont make enough genuine complaints to
>>Trading Standards.
>>
>Trading Standards are incompetent lazy buffoons.
Particularly when they came to see me under a completely false pretence.
They had received a complaint from a buyer and, at the end of the
interview, (under caution), pointed out that the representation they
were concerned with had been made by the seller via their solicitor, and
not me.
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Richard Faulkner
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