| phishing [message #373583] |
Di, 14 März 2006 15:35 |
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My wife has today received three phishing emails, two from "LTSB" and one
from "HSBC" - neither of which she has any accounts with.
The HSBC email had no text, but the LTSB one points to a bogus site in the
UK.
It's the first time we have received any such emails, so three within the
space of 12 hours suggests that there is a new campaign afoot targeting UK
bank account holders. You have been warned.
Brian
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| Re: phishing [message #373584 ] |
Di, 14 März 2006 15:57 |
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:35:15 GMT, "BrianW" <brian [at] nospam.net> wrote:
>My wife has today received three phishing emails, two from "LTSB" and one
>from "HSBC" - neither of which she has any accounts with.
>
>The HSBC email had no text, but the LTSB one points to a bogus site in the
>UK.
>
>It's the first time we have received any such emails, so three within the
>space of 12 hours suggests that there is a new campaign afoot targeting UK
>bank account holders. You have been warned.
What? my server gets about 50 a day, and has done consistently for
months. It's nothing to do with a new campaign, simply that your
email address has just been got...
Jim.
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| Re: phishing [message #373585 ] |
Di, 14 März 2006 16:20 |
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In article <DwARf.2355$Dg5.306 [at] newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"BrianW" <brian [at] nospam.net> writes:
> My wife has today received three phishing emails, two from "LTSB" and one
> from "HSBC" - neither of which she has any accounts with.
>
> The HSBC email had no text, but the LTSB one points to a bogus site in the
> UK.
>
> It's the first time we have received any such emails, so three within the
> space of 12 hours suggests that there is a new campaign afoot targeting UK
> bank account holders. You have been warned.
If I don't get getting on for a dozen of these a day, there's something
wrong with the mail system. I've never, as far as I'm aware, had a phishing
attempt related to any bank I actually use.
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SAm.
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| Re: phishing [message #373586 ] |
Di, 14 März 2006 16:40 |
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Jim Ley wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:35:15 GMT, "BrianW" <brian [at] nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> My wife has today received three phishing emails, two from "LTSB" and one
>>from "HSBC" - neither of which she has any accounts with.
>> The HSBC email had no text, but the LTSB one points to a bogus site in the
>> UK.
>>
>> It's the first time we have received any such emails, so three within the
>> space of 12 hours suggests that there is a new campaign afoot targeting UK
>> bank account holders. You have been warned.
>
> What? my server gets about 50 a day, and has done consistently for
> months. It's nothing to do with a new campaign, simply that your
> email address has just been got...
>
> Jim.
I'm not sure you're right. I've been receiving bank phishing emails for
quite a while (most turned away by my mail server); I've in the past few
days started getting them from "ebay" and "paypal" via "real" mail
servers rather than zombie bots. One of the paypal ones had me going
for a few moments - the sending relay was named as something like
paypal4231.com, but the reverse address lookup gave a far-eastern isp.
But this isn't really a uk.finance issue, I think :-)
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| Re: phishing [message #373587 ] |
Di, 14 März 2006 16:46 |
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:20:20 +0000, sam [at] ssrl.org.uk (Sam Nelson)
wrote:
>If I don't get getting on for a dozen of these a day, there's something
>wrong with the mail system. I've never, as far as I'm aware, had a phishing
>attempt related to any bank I actually use.
I rarely get them, and in the early days, one from LTSB nearly fooled
me, but looking at the html message in txt format revealed the bogus
links.
Tiddy Ogg.
http://www.tiddyogg.co.uk
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| Re: phishing [message #373591 ] |
Di, 14 März 2006 19:36 |
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I really dont understand the problem of Phishing emails. Simple rule is dont
open links and go to your banks website yourself via the website you know.
It is the same for phone calls. Always contact them yourself on a number you
know is genuine.
Common sense and problem solved.
Why do people have such problems?!
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| Re: phishing [message #373593 ] |
Di, 14 März 2006 20:27 |
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"eyup" <ey_up [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:TuidnT4w-7aokIrZSa8jmw [at] karoo.co.uk...
> I really dont understand the problem of Phishing emails. Simple rule is dont
> open links and go to your banks website yourself via the website you know.
>
> It is the same for phone calls. Always contact them yourself on a number you
> know is genuine.
>
> Common sense and problem solved.
>
> Why do people have such problems?!
The vast majority of people don't have a problem of course. It costs virtually
nothing to send bucket loads of emails, it only takes a tiny minority of people to
fall for the scam to make it hugely profitable, maybe one in ten thousand.
Given that some people are conned into believing that they've won a foreign lottery
that they never bought a ticket for, or that a box full of black paper is really a
box full of cancelled 10 pound notes, it's not that surprising that a tiny minority
will think that their bank really does require them to reconfirm their account
details after a software upgrade.
Anyway, AIUI the phishing victims aren't the real victims of this scam - they usually
get their money back. It's the people who fall for the sister scam, the "payment
processors" who take the transferred money and forward it to the scammers by some
untraceable method.
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Andy
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| Re: phishing [message #373595 ] |
Di, 14 März 2006 20:52 |
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"BrianW" <brian [at] nospam.net> wrote in message
news:DwARf.2355$Dg5.306 [at] newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> My wife has today received three phishing emails, two from "LTSB" and one
> from "HSBC" - neither of which she has any accounts with.
>
> The HSBC email had no text, but the LTSB one points to a bogus site in the
> UK.
>
> It's the first time we have received any such emails, so three within the
> space of 12 hours suggests that there is a new campaign afoot targeting UK
> bank account holders. You have been warned.
>
> Brian
>
my yahoo 'catchall' email account is full of these, along with various
people in Nigeria offering me lots of money.
More likely, bad luck, her email addy has gotten onto a spam list :-(
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| Re: phishing [message #373597 ] |
Di, 14 März 2006 20:58 |
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Check out following article on how to avoid phishing?
http://www.cheapest-computer-hardware-software.com/securyban ks-phishing-trojans.html
Also check out interesting articles on phishing.
How to report phishing to Anti phishing working group.
http://www.cheapest-computer-hardware-software.com/Report-ph ishing.html
http://www.cheapest-computer-hardware-software.com/phishing- articles.html
regards
Sumukh
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| Re: phishing [message #373598 ] |
Di, 14 März 2006 23:51 |
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BrianW wrote:
> My wife has today received three phishing emails, two from "LTSB" and one
> from "HSBC" - neither of which she has any accounts with.
>
> The HSBC email had no text, but the LTSB one points to a bogus site in the
> UK.
>
> It's the first time we have received any such emails, so three within the
> space of 12 hours suggests that there is a new campaign afoot targeting UK
> bank account holders. You have been warned.
I get loads of phishes for Barclays, about the only bank I don't have an
account with.
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| Re: phishing [message #373599 ] |
Mi, 15 März 2006 00:01 |
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Andy Pandy wrote:
> The vast majority of people don't have a problem of course. It costs
> virtually nothing to send bucket loads of emails, it only takes a tiny
> minority of people to fall for the scam to make it hugely profitable,
> maybe one in ten thousand.
Apparently the response rate for most scams is about one in ten million.
But most emails - about 90% of those sent out, aren't to valid email
addresses.
> Anyway, AIUI the phishing victims aren't the real victims of this scam -
> they usually get their money back. It's the people who fall for the sister
> scam, the "payment processors" who take the transferred money and forward
> it to the scammers by some untraceable method.
That is true, and most people don't seem to realise that.
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| Re: phishing [message #373601 ] |
Mi, 15 März 2006 00:23 |
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eyup <ey_up [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> I really dont understand the problem of Phishing emails. Simple rule is dont
> open links and go to your banks website yourself via the website you know.
>
> It is the same for phone calls. Always contact them yourself on a number you
> know is genuine.
>
> Common sense and problem solved.
>
> Why do people have such problems?!
Donno.
Hint: You /can/ do online banking, pensions & ISA admin *without* ever
telling the counterparty your email address.
Shame so many numpties running webshops think that's not the case and
expect you to set up username/password 'accounts' with them.
rgds, Alan
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| Re: phishing [message #373603 ] |
Mi, 15 März 2006 11:06 |
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BrianW wrote:
> My wife has today received three phishing emails, two from "LTSB" and
> one from "HSBC" - neither of which she has any accounts with.
>
> The HSBC email had no text, but the LTSB one points to a bogus site
> in the UK.
>
> It's the first time we have received any such emails, so three within
> the space of 12 hours suggests that there is a new campaign afoot
> targeting UK bank account holders. You have been warned.
>
> Brian
Update. I reported the LTSB scam and the web site was closed down within 30
minutes.
Brian
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| Re: phishing [message #373625 ] |
Mi, 15 März 2006 23:42 |
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"Andy Pandy" <spam8times [at] wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:47ojplFgb7usU1 [at] individual.net...
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> "eyup" <ey_up [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:TuidnT4w-7aokIrZSa8jmw [at] karoo.co.uk...
>> I really dont understand the problem of Phishing emails. Simple rule is
>> dont
>> open links and go to your banks website yourself via the website you
>> know.
>>
>> It is the same for phone calls. Always contact them yourself on a number
>> you
>> know is genuine.
>>
>> Common sense and problem solved.
>>
>> Why do people have such problems?!
>
> The vast majority of people don't have a problem of course. It costs
> virtually
> nothing to send bucket loads of emails, it only takes a tiny minority of
> people to
> fall for the scam to make it hugely profitable, maybe one in ten thousand.
>
> Given that some people are conned into believing that they've won a
> foreign lottery
> that they never bought a ticket for, or that a box full of black paper is
> really a
> box full of cancelled 10 pound notes,
I've never seen this one.
do you have a link?
tim
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| Re: phishing [message #373630 ] |
Do, 16 März 2006 00:35 |
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tim (in sweden) wrote:
> "Andy Pandy" <spam8times [at] wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:47ojplFgb7usU1 [at] individual.net...
>> "eyup" <ey_up [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:TuidnT4w-7aokIrZSa8jmw [at] karoo.co.uk...
>>> I really dont understand the problem of Phishing emails. Simple
>>> rule is dont open links and go to your banks website yourself via
>>> the website you know.
>>>
>>> It is the same for phone calls. Always contact them yourself on a
>>> number you know is genuine.
>>>
>>> Common sense and problem solved.
>>>
>>> Why do people have such problems?!
>> The vast majority of people don't have a problem of course. It
>> costs virtually nothing to send bucket loads of emails, it only
>> takes a tiny minority of people to fall for the scam to make it
>> hugely profitable, maybe one in ten thousand.
>>
>> Given that some people are conned into believing that they've won a
>> foreign lottery that they never bought a ticket for, or that a box
>> full of black paper is really a box full of cancelled 10 pound
>> notes,
>
> I've never seen this one.
>
> do you have a link?
>
> tim
He is probably thinking of something like this:
"One aspect of the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud involves victims being
informed of the existence of case loads of banknotes which are said to
have been coated or stamped in order to disguise their identity from the
authorities or for "security purposes".
This may even come as a surprise to the victim who, after paying untold
fees to have the money finally released, discover it now needs to be
cleaned by chemical dye removers before it is useable. Such a process
is accompanied with, of course, yet more fees or expenses....."
http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Nigerian/marked_currency .htm
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| Re: phishing [message #373643 ] |
Do, 16 März 2006 11:05 |
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"tim (in sweden)" <tim_in_sweden2005 [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:47rjjaFh7j2hU1 [at] individual.net...
> > Given that some people are conned into believing that they've won a
> > foreign lottery
> > that they never bought a ticket for, or that a box full of black paper is
> > really a
> > box full of cancelled 10 pound notes,
>
> I've never seen this one.
>
> do you have a link?
Saw it on telly the other week.
They said it was an common scam at car boot sales. The conmen spray loads of bits of
paper black. They then spin a spiel about these being cancelled Bank of England
notes, the BOE spray them with black paint before sending them off to be burnt. But a
load fell of the back of a lorry. They have a device which can remove the paint
revealing a crisp tenner (the device
obviously being some kind of magicians prop), which they demo. They are offering
boxes of the paper and the device for sale for something like thirty quid.
The programme makers set up a stall at a car boot sale and managed to sell quite a
few of boxes of worthless bits of paper! (They gave all the losers their money back
afterwards of course).
It was on this programme:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/tv/real_hustle.shtml
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Andy
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| Re: phishing [message #373654 ] |
Do, 16 März 2006 17:25 |
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"Andy Pandy" <spam8times [at] wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:47srjmFh51k0U1 [at] individual.net...
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> "tim (in sweden)" <tim_in_sweden2005 [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:47rjjaFh7j2hU1 [at] individual.net...
>> > Given that some people are conned into believing that they've won a
>> > foreign lottery
>> > that they never bought a ticket for, or that a box full of black paper
>> > is
>> > really a
>> > box full of cancelled 10 pound notes,
>>
>> I've never seen this one.
>>
>> do you have a link?
>
> Saw it on telly the other week.
>
> They said it was an common scam at car boot sales. The conmen spray loads
> of bits of
> paper black. They then spin a spiel about these being cancelled Bank of
> England
> notes, the BOE spray them with black paint before sending them off to be
> burnt. But a
> load fell of the back of a lorry. They have a device which can remove the
> paint
> revealing a crisp tenner (the device
> obviously being some kind of magicians prop), which they demo. They are
> offering
> boxes of the paper and the device for sale for something like thirty quid.
>
> The programme makers set up a stall at a car boot sale and managed to sell
> quite a
> few of boxes of worthless bits of paper! (They gave all the losers their
> money back
> afterwards of course).
>
obviously not common enough that they could film it for real, and instead
had to do it themselves :-)
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| Re: phishing [message #373655 ] |
Do, 16 März 2006 17:45 |
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Tumbleweed wrote:
....
>> Saw it on telly the other week.
>>
>> They said it was an common scam at car boot sales. The conmen spray loads
>> of bits of
>> paper black. They then spin a spiel about these being cancelled Bank of
>> England
>> notes, the BOE spray them with black paint before sending them off to be
>> burnt. But a
>> load fell of the back of a lorry. They have a device which can remove the
>> paint
>> revealing a crisp tenner (the device
>> obviously being some kind of magicians prop), which they demo. They are
>> offering
>> boxes of the paper and the device for sale for something like thirty quid.
>>
>> The programme makers set up a stall at a car boot sale and managed to sell
>> quite a
>> few of boxes of worthless bits of paper! (They gave all the losers their
>> money back
>> afterwards of course).
>>
>
>
> obviously not common enough that they could film it for real, and instead
> had to do it themselves :-)
>
I heard the idea of the programme was to show how fundamentally
dishonest a lot of the general public are, rather than how easily
conned. But maybe the two are related :-)
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| Re: phishing [message #373661 ] |
Do, 16 März 2006 18:40 |
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Bitstring <4DgSf.66$zr.12 [at] newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>, from the wonderful
person Mike Scott <usenet.10 [at] spam.stopper.scottsonline.org.uk> said
<snip>
>I heard the idea of the programme was to show how fundamentally
>dishonest a lot of the general public are, rather than how easily
>conned. But maybe the two are related :-)
Sure they are, everyone knows it's extremely hard to con an honest
person .. although it seems pretty easy to phish one.
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| Re: phishing [message #373696 ] |
Fr, 17 März 2006 10:28 |
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"Mike Scott" <usenet.10 [at] spam.stopper.scottsonline.org.uk> wrote in message
news:4DgSf.66$zr.12 [at] newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
> I heard the idea of the programme was to show how fundamentally
> dishonest a lot of the general public are, rather than how easily
> conned. But maybe the two are related :-)
Not at all. It was on again last night - the cons were simply outright cons which
don't require any dishonesty on the part of the victim.
For instance the cons featured last night were:
A man dressed as a car park inspector with an ID he made on his computer puts an "out
of order" sign on the car park ticket machine and stands by the machine, taking
people's money and giving them a receipt from a receipt book.
A woman on a high street holds a box with bits on glass in it, and engineers bumps
with people walking past. Spins a story about it being an expensive vase, and some
people pay her compensation.
A motorcycle courier goes to the reception of a company and states he has a package
for so-and-so. The receptionist says so-and-so doesn't work there. He gets his mobile
out but the battery is dead - he then asks to use the receptionist's phone to phone
his office. Then tries to stay on the phone as long as possible - he's actually
phonng his own premium rate phone number.
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