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Crowley wrote:
> Do you still believe Gordon Brown when he tells you what great shape
> the economy is in or are you beginning to suspect that he may be having
> us on ?
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> Here's just some of the job losses announced today................
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> Fears for 550 jobs as store quits depot
> New blow in area hit by mine closures
> http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?sectionid= 3D55&articlei=
d=3D1413912
> Mike Waites
> HUNDREDS of jobs are being axed at a supermarket distribution centre in
> Yorkshire in an area already hard hit by pit closures.
> As many as 550 jobs will go following the withdrawal by supermarket
> chain Somerfield from the DHL Exel supply warehouse in
> Sherburn-in-Elmet, near Selby...................
>
> **********************************************
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> Workers told they will lose their jobs Mar 31 2006
> http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/thejournal/regional/tm_ob jectid=3D1688=
5432&method=3Dfull&siteid=3D50081&headline=3Dwor kers-told-they-will-lose-th=
eir-jobs-name_page.html
> By The Journal
> More than 250 workers received notice that they are to lose their jobs
> after two North-East companies announced redundancies.
> Electronics company Saia-Burgess announced yesterday that 215 jobs are
> to go at its Gateshead factory as it moves production to Poland and
> China.............
>
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> Job losses as company collapses
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4862432.stm
> Some 105 jobs have been lost after a greetings card company based in
> Greater Manchester went into administration.
> Distinctive Cards Ltd, which will cease trading on Friday, blamed the
> rise of a number of new card retailers selling highly discounted
> products.
> The collapse of the company, based in Bury, has led to the closure of
> 18 stores, mainly across the north of England and Scotland.
>
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> Major job losses expected at firm
> http://www.eadt.co.uk/content/eadt/news/story.aspx?brand=3DE ADOnline&cate=
gory=3DNews&tBrand=3DEADOnline&tCategory=3Dznews& ;itemid=3DIPED30%20Mar%2020=
06%2022%3A21%3A25%3A733
> 31 March 2006 | 07:12
> DAVE GOODERHAM
> STAFF at a Suffolk town's major employer are bracing themselves for
> mass redundancies after the beleaguered company went into
> administration.
> Community leaders last night spoke of their concern over the future of
> Workspace Office Solutions, in Haverhill, and the possibility of more
> than 300 jobs being axed................
>
> ....................... and plenty more to come as we head closer to
> recession.
This surely is the chaff being winnowed. A supermarket distribution
centre for chrissakes?
As for the card maker complaing about discounting, anyone who sells a
1p card for =A33.99, and can't survive when it's "discounted" to 99p,
should try selling candy floss or bottled water..
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| Re: Gordon is a liar. More job losses ......... [message #376015 ] |
Fr, 31 März 2006 15:18 |
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"Troy Steadman" <troysteadman [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Crowley wrote:
> Do you still believe Gordon Brown when he tells you what great shape
> the economy is in or are you beginning to suspect that he may be having
> us on ?
>
> Here's just some of the job losses announced today................
>
> Fears for 550 jobs as store quits depot
> New blow in area hit by mine closures
> http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?sectionid= 55&articleid=1413912
> Mike Waites
> HUNDREDS of jobs are being axed at a supermarket distribution centre in
> Yorkshire in an area already hard hit by pit closures.
> As many as 550 jobs will go following the withdrawal by supermarket
> chain Somerfield from the DHL Exel supply warehouse in
> Sherburn-in-Elmet, near Selby...................
>
> **********************************************
>
> Workers told they will lose their jobs Mar 31 2006
> http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/thejournal/regional/tm_ob jectid=16885432&method=full&siteid=50081&headlin e=workers-told-they-will-lose-their-jobs-name_page.html
> By The Journal
> More than 250 workers received notice that they are to lose their jobs
> after two North-East companies announced redundancies.
> Electronics company Saia-Burgess announced yesterday that 215 jobs are
> to go at its Gateshead factory as it moves production to Poland and
> China.............
>
> ************************************************
>
> Job losses as company collapses
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4862432.stm
> Some 105 jobs have been lost after a greetings card company based in
> Greater Manchester went into administration.
> Distinctive Cards Ltd, which will cease trading on Friday, blamed the
> rise of a number of new card retailers selling highly discounted
> products.
> The collapse of the company, based in Bury, has led to the closure of
> 18 stores, mainly across the north of England and Scotland.
>
> *****************************************************
>
> Major job losses expected at firm
> http://www.eadt.co.uk/content/eadt/news/story.aspx?brand=EAD Online&category=News&tBrand=EADOnline&tCategory= znews&itemid=IPED30%20Mar%202006%2022%3A21%3A25%3A733
> 31 March 2006 | 07:12
> DAVE GOODERHAM
> STAFF at a Suffolk town's major employer are bracing themselves for
> mass redundancies after the beleaguered company went into
> administration.
> Community leaders last night spoke of their concern over the future of
> Workspace Office Solutions, in Haverhill, and the possibility of more
> than 300 jobs being axed................
>
> ....................... and plenty more to come as we head closer to
> recession.
This surely is the chaff being winnowed. A supermarket distribution
centre for chrissakes?
As for the card maker complaing about discounting, anyone who sells a
1p card for £3.99, and can't survive when it's "discounted" to 99p,
should try selling candy floss or bottled water..
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Too right, Troy. All or most of the warehouse people are likely to be
protected by TUPE. And the "new" card companies, and their outlets, will
hardly be employee-free zones.
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| Re: Gordon is a liar. More job losses ......... [message #376048 ] |
Fr, 31 März 2006 21:53 |
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"Martin" <ngng [at] ngngng.BARRIER.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Too right, Troy. All or most of the warehouse people are likely to be
> protected by TUPE.
TUPE doesn't protect people who have been made redundant.
WTF are you on about?
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| Re: Gordon is a liar. More job losses ......... [message #376062 ] |
Sa, 01 April 2006 01:35 |
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"Scott2k5" <a [at] b.c> wrote in message news:ud-dnUe2hIEwFbDZRVny0Q [at] bt.com...
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> "Martin" <ngng [at] ngngng.BARRIER.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> snip
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>> Too right, Troy. All or most of the warehouse people are likely to be
>> protected by TUPE.
>
> TUPE doesn't protect people who have been made redundant.
They haven't - yet (you clearly haven't bothered to read the article). And
that's the whole point of TUPE. You cannot make jobs (effectively people)
redundant on the ground that a contract xfers from one employer or
contractor to another. If you do it is automatically unfair dismissal (ETOR
excepted).
> WTF are you on about?
Read the article on the link from the OP, and learn a bit about employment
law, then you will know.
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| Re: Gordon is a liar. More job losses ......... [message #377713 ] |
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"Martin" <ngng [at] ngngng.BARRIER.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Scott2k5" <a [at] b.c> wrote in message news:ud-dnUe2hIEwFbDZRVny0Q [at] bt.com...
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>> "Martin" <ngng [at] ngngng.BARRIER.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> snip
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>>> Too right, Troy. All or most of the warehouse people are likely to be
>>> protected by TUPE.
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>> TUPE doesn't protect people who have been made redundant.
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> They haven't - yet (you clearly haven't bothered to read the article).
if we are talking about the DHL Exel warehouse, 550 jobs will go.
And
> that's the whole point of TUPE. You cannot make jobs (effectively people)
> redundant on the ground that a contract xfers from one employer or
> contractor to another.
you can make positions redundant if the workers are no longer needed. which
is what appears to be the case here, being as somerfield don't need the
services of the warehouse now.
If you do it is automatically unfair dismissal (ETOR
> excepted).
not relevant here
>
>> WTF are you on about?
>
> Read the article on the link from the OP, and learn a bit about employment
> law, then you will know.
it is you who hasn't absorbed the facts here.
i think the loss of 550 jobs confirms my understanding of employment law.
and the 350 people left over will not be banking on everlasting employment
either. TUPE or no TUPE. d**khead
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| Re: Gordon is a liar. More job losses ......... [message #377717 ] |
Di, 04 April 2006 02:09 |
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"Scott2k5" <a [at] b.c> wrote in message
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> "Martin" <ngng [at] ngngng.BARRIER.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> "Scott2k5" <a [at] b.c> wrote in message news:ud-dnUe2hIEwFbDZRVny0Q [at] bt.com...
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>>> "Martin" <ngng [at] ngngng.BARRIER.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>> snip
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>>>> Too right, Troy. All or most of the warehouse people are likely to be
>>>> protected by TUPE.
>>>
>>> TUPE doesn't protect people who have been made redundant.
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>> They haven't - yet (you clearly haven't bothered to read the article).
>
> if
"if" ? - so you evidently haven't read the article, or the many others you
would find if you bothered to google.
> we are talking about the DHL Exel warehouse, 550 jobs will go.
>
> And
>> that's the whole point of TUPE. You cannot make jobs (effectively
>> people) redundant on the ground that a contract xfers from one employer
>> or contractor to another.
>
> you can make positions redundant if the workers are no longer needed.
> which is what appears
"appears" ? - so you evidently haven't read the article, or the many others
you would find if you bothered to google.
> to be the case here, being as somerfield don't need the services of the
> warehouse now.
That isn't yet established. Some of the jobs appear to be at risk, but TUPE
provides protection, unless ETOR can be shown to apply, as I pointed out
previously.
> If you do it is automatically unfair dismissal (ETOR
>> excepted).
>
> not relevant here
In that case, TUPE applies. No question.
>>> WTF are you on about?
>>
>> Read the article on the link from the OP, and learn a bit about
>> employment law, then you will know.
>
> it is you who hasn't absorbed the facts here.
Examples, please. (And it should be "haven't" not "hasn't". But I guess a
mediocre command of grammar isn't your strong point.)
> i think the loss of 550 jobs confirms my understanding of employment law.
What loss? That isn't yet established, and your thinking evidently has
precious little to do with the law.
> and the 350 people left over will not be banking on everlasting employment
> either. TUPE or no TUPE. d**khead
Without exception, my experience is that people who can neither argue their
case logically or coherently, nor avoid descending to abuse of the more
knowledgeable by using terms like "WTF" and "d**khead" are not merely
_always_ wrong, they _know_ they are wrong. So that's one piece of
knowledge I'll grant you have absorbed.
Tatty bye.
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| Re: Gordon is a liar. More job losses ......... [message #377759 ] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 00:21 |
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"Martin" <ngng [at] ngngng.BARRIER.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Scott2k5" <a [at] b.c> wrote in message
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>> "Martin" <ngng [at] ngngng.BARRIER.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Without exception, my experience is that people who can neither argue
> their
> case logically or coherently, nor avoid descending to abuse of the more
> knowledgeable
yawn..............
by using terms like "WTF" and "d**khead" are not merely
> _always_ wrong, they _know_ they are wrong. So that's one piece of
> knowledge I'll grant you have absorbed.
yawn..............
you have a fixation with TUPE, but it does not compel an employer to keep
staff who are not needed.
the oulook for the staff at that place is poor. and that is why TUPE will
not be mentioned when the redundancies take place. which they will.
BTW, please remember to point out my lack of the use of capital letters at
the beginning of sentences. it will make you will feel like you are clever.
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> Tatty bye.
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