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#1: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, Choose Dogma Over Reason

Posted on 2006-03-08 22:21:22 by Dr Poo

(brain-dead people make good slaves)

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Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Reject Evolution, Back Bible

NEW YORK - A Gallup report released today reveals that more than half of
all Americans, rejecting evolution theory and scientific evidence, agree
with the statement, &quot;God created man exactly how Bible describes it.&quot;

Another 31% says that man did evolve, but &quot;God guided.&quot; Only 12% back
evolution and say &quot;God had no part.&quot;

Gallup summarized it this way: &quot;Surveys repeatedly show that a substantial
portion of Americans do not believe that the theory of evolution best
explains where life came from.&quot; They are &quot;not so quick to agree with the
preponderance of scientific evidence.&quot;

The report was written by the director of the The Gallup Poll, Frank
Newport.

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#2: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, Choose Dogma Over Reason

Posted on 2006-03-08 22:40:59 by lkgeo1

G-d didnt play with dice

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#3: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, Choose Dogma Over Reason

Posted on 2006-03-08 23:07:32 by Lawyerkill

Dr Poo
Another 31% says that man did evolve, but &quot;God guided.&quot; Only 12% back
evolution and say &quot;God had no part.&quot;

LK

I'm almost in that 31%. I don't believe in the god of the bible, or any
of the other 4000 gods, however something helped evolution.

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#4: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, Choose Dogma Over Reason

Posted on 2006-03-08 23:14:38 by dearcilla

Dr Poo wrote:
&gt; (brain-dead people make good slaves)

A veritable untermenchen!

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#5: Re: YOU GOOF-ASS, EVOLUTION "THEORY" HAS BEEN DISPROVED.

Posted on 2006-03-08 23:19:47 by comics

the reason many people and scientists and teachers are now asking to
teach &quot;intelligent design&quot; is because genetic scientists have disproved
the story that men came from apes-monkeys. in fact , it is now known
that humans are closer to pigs than to apes -monkeys. it has nothing to
do with the number of chromosomes each have, it has to do with the
genetic make up inside those chromosomes. that is why you hear that
people get operations to have pig heart valves and kidney parts put into
them to save their lives, but doctors know ape-monkey parts will not
transplant like the pig parts will.
i suggest you read some biotech newsgroups to get up to speed on these
things instead of chanting the old communist mantra of ;&quot; there is no
GOD we came from apes&quot;

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#6: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, Choose Dogma Over Reason

Posted on 2006-03-08 23:20:37 by Lawyerkill

lkgeo1
G-d didnt play with dice

LK

Hmmm, Einstein


Einstein believed the laws of nature were the god. Einstein believed in
the
Spinoza's god as he said (&quot;To Albert Einstein's 70th birthday&quot;
Sommerfeld 1949
page 103)

&quot;Like Spinoza, Einstein denied the existence of a personal god&quot;
(&quot;Einstein and Religion&quot; Max Jammer 1999 page 47)

Einstein also said or wrote:


&quot;I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider
ethics to
be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind
it.&quot; &quot;The
Human Side&quot;, Selected and Edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman,
Princeton
University Press, 1979 Page 39.


The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the
rampant
growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more
than a
symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner experiences consist
of
reproductions and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a
soul
without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning. &quot;The
Human Side&quot;,
Selected and Edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton
University
Press, 1979 Page 40


&quot;My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that
a
vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for
the betterment
and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver,
especially a
law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment.&quot; Letter to
M.
Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215

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#7: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead,

Posted on 2006-03-08 23:30:11 by bartonmj

<a href="mailto:Lawyerkill&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">Lawyerkill&#64;aol.com</a> (Lawyerkill)


Dr Poo
Another 31% says that man did evolve, but &quot;God guided.&quot; Only 12% back
evolution and say &quot;God had no part.&quot;

LK

I'm almost in that 31%. I don't believe in the god of the bible, or any
of the other 4000 gods, however something helped evolution.


Piddy?

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#8: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, Choose Dogma Over Reason

Posted on 2006-03-09 00:32:18 by Lubow

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Princeton matched the work he had done previously in Europe. The only =
thing of significance he did while living in the US was to write to FDR, =
at the urging of Leo Szilard, about the possibility of nuclear weapons.

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further research in quantum to concentrate on unified field theory. In =
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mechanics to prove that the energy levels of atomic and sub-atomic =
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last forty years has proven Einstein to be wrong. G-d indeed rolls the =
dice with everything we take as matter and reproductive biology. =
Everything we think of matter is composed of particles whose energy =
levels are stochastic and not deterministic.

In my view, anyone who does not believe in evolution, has no right to =
believe in gravity and has no right to say a child has &quot;his mother's =
nose&quot; or &quot;his father's eyes&quot; or anything else related to heredity.

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#9: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, Choose Dogma Over Reason

Posted on 2006-03-09 00:40:17 by Dr Poo

On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:07:32 -0800, Lawyerkill wrote:

&gt; I'm almost in that 31%. I don't believe in the god of the bible, or any of
&gt; the other 4000 gods, however something helped evolution.

I like that you said 'almost' ;)

Perhaps that something you speak of is an incredible amount of time
(billions of years) combined with a huge environment (the earth's oceans
and continents, with trillions of trillions of organisms) in a constant
state of flux (several ice ages, continental shifts, atmospheric
composition changes, global calamities, etc.) Combine all that with the
inherent random (albeit rare) DNA errors in the cellular reproduction
process (which occurs trillions of times every minute of every day on this
big lively planet) and there you have it.

It's a very human tendency to substitute mythical spiritual forces
into any situation in which there is a lack of knowledge. People used to
think supernatural entities were responsible for almost everything that
they did not understand, from the stars in the sky, to the weather, to
disease, to human origins. It's a universal easy answer in the face of any
complex problem. However, history, and centuries of scientific exploration
and discovery, has shown us that this easy answer is NEVER the correct one.

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#10: Re: YOU GOOF-ASS, EVOLUTION "THEORY" HAS BEEN DISPROVED.

Posted on 2006-03-09 00:58:57 by Lubow

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Stop the bullshit with your so-called scientists and your quack science. =
To reject evolution is to reject the existence of DNA. In fact it is =
easier to deny the existence of gravity than to deny evolution. We know =
why there is evolution and we know how it comes about. In the case of =
gravity, on the other hand, we only have equations that describe the =
gravitational field. We have no knowledge of why mass generates a =
gravitational field.

Darwin was one of the smartest people who ever lived. Not only were his =
discoveries based on observation but it was done without the benefit of =
DNA research or knowledge of microbiology.

Now we know why species evolve. Every living thing has DNA. DNA is our =
biological operating system and responsible for everything we are. When =
cells reproduce, DNA, because it is so complicated, sometimes does not =
reproduce exactly as the donor. It mutates. Millions of years of =
mutations made some species more compatible to their environment than =
for others. The species that mutated to best live in their environment =
survived and parented better mutations. The mutants that could not =
compete fell to the wayside, like Neanderthals, dinosaurs and saber =
tooth tigers

We see the products of mutations all around us. That is the reason we =
have problems with bacteria resistant to antibiotics. Antibiotics have =
been around since the 1940s. Antibiotics can kill 90 to 99% of the =
harmful bacteria. The remaining few percent were mutants that had, only =
by chance, DNA that made them resistant. These are the bacterium that =
evolved to become antibiotic resistant.


These bacterium are only the product of 60 years of evolution. If we =
consider the mutations that occur over millions of years we can better =
postulate how lower forms of life, gradually, generation to generation, =
mutates to more complicated species.

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#11: Re: YOU GOOF-ASS, EVOLUTION "THEORY" HAS BEEN DISPROVED.

Posted on 2006-03-09 01:05:43 by Don S

Lubow wrote:

&gt; Stop the bullshit with your so-called scientists and your quack
&gt; science. To reject evolution is to reject the existence of DNA. In
&gt; fact it is easier to deny the existence of gravity than to deny
&gt; evolution. We know why there is evolution and we know how it comes
&gt; about. In the case of gravity, on the other hand, we only have
&gt; equations that describe the gravitational field. We have no knowledge
&gt; of why mass generates a gravitational field.
&gt;
&gt; Darwin was one of the smartest people who ever lived. Not only were
&gt; his discoveries based on observation but it was done without the
&gt; benefit of DNA research or knowledge of microbiology.
&gt;
&gt; Now we know why species evolve. Every living thing has DNA. DNA is
&gt; our biological operating system and responsible for everything we
&gt; are. When cells reproduce, DNA, because it is so complicated,
&gt; sometimes does not reproduce exactly as the donor. It
&gt; mutates. Millions of years of mutations made some species more
&gt; compatible to their environment than for others. The species that
&gt; mutated to best live in their environment survived and parented better
&gt; mutations. The mutants that could not compete fell to the wayside,
&gt; like Neanderthals, dinosaurs and saber tooth tigers
&gt;
&gt; We see the products of mutations all around us. That is the reason we
&gt; have problems with bacteria resistant to antibiotics. Antibiotics
&gt; have been around since the 1940s. Antibiotics can kill 90 to 99% of
&gt; the harmful bacteria. The remaining few percent were mutants that
&gt; had, only by chance, DNA that made them resistant. These are the
&gt; bacterium that evolved to become antibiotic resistant.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; These bacterium are only the product of 60 years of evolution. If we
&gt; consider the mutations that occur over millions of years we can better
&gt; postulate how lower forms of life, gradually, generation to
&gt; generation, mutates to more complicated species.
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Lubow

There you go, bringing reason and intelligence into the conversation
with a bunch of uneducated (for lack of a better description) people.

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#12: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, ChooseDogma Over Reason

Posted on 2006-03-09 02:13:36 by Gib Bogle

Dr Poo wrote:

&gt; On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:07:32 -0800, Lawyerkill wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;I'm almost in that 31%. I don't believe in the god of the bible, or any of
&gt;&gt;the other 4000 gods, however something helped evolution.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I like that you said 'almost' ;)
&gt;
&gt; Perhaps that something you speak of is an incredible amount of time
&gt; (billions of years) combined with a huge environment (the earth's oceans
&gt; and continents, with trillions of trillions of organisms) in a constant
&gt; state of flux (several ice ages, continental shifts, atmospheric
&gt; composition changes, global calamities, etc.) Combine all that with the
&gt; inherent random (albeit rare) DNA errors in the cellular reproduction
&gt; process (which occurs trillions of times every minute of every day on this
&gt; big lively planet) and there you have it.
&gt;
&gt; It's a very human tendency to substitute mythical spiritual forces
&gt; into any situation in which there is a lack of knowledge. People used to
&gt; think supernatural entities were responsible for almost everything that
&gt; they did not understand, from the stars in the sky, to the weather, to
&gt; disease, to human origins. It's a universal easy answer in the face of any
&gt; complex problem. However, history, and centuries of scientific exploration
&gt; and discovery, has shown us that this easy answer is NEVER the correct one.

Well said, Dr Poo (are you a proctologist?)

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#13: Re: YOU GOOF-ASS, EVOLUTION "THEORY" HAS BEEN DISPROVED.

Posted on 2006-03-09 02:30:00 by Gib Bogle

Let me guess. You're a Bush guy, right?

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#14: Re: YOU GOOF-ASS, EVOLUTION "THEORY" HAS BEEN DISPROVED.

Posted on 2006-03-09 03:06:01 by Pops

&gt; Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.
&gt; Euripides



Lubow wrote:
&gt; Stop the bullshit with your so-called scientists and your quack science.
&gt; To reject evolution is to reject the existence of DNA. In fact it is
&gt; easier to deny the existence of gravity than to deny evolution. We know
&gt; why there is evolution and we know how it comes about. In the case of
&gt; gravity, on the other hand, we only have equations that describe the
&gt; gravitational field. We have no knowledge of why mass generates a
&gt; gravitational field.
&gt;
&gt; Darwin was one of the smartest people who ever lived. Not only were his
&gt; discoveries based on observation but it was done without the benefit of
&gt; DNA research or knowledge of microbiology.
&gt;
&gt; Now we know why species evolve. Every living thing has DNA. DNA is our
&gt; biological operating system and responsible for everything we are. When
&gt; cells reproduce, DNA, because it is so complicated, sometimes does not
&gt; reproduce exactly as the donor. It mutates. Millions of years of
&gt; mutations made some species more compatible to their environment than
&gt; for others. The species that mutated to best live in their environment
&gt; survived and parented better mutations. The mutants that could not
&gt; compete fell to the wayside, like Neanderthals, dinosaurs and saber
&gt; tooth tigers
&gt;
&gt; We see the products of mutations all around us. That is the reason we
&gt; have problems with bacteria resistant to antibiotics. Antibiotics have
&gt; been around since the 1940s. Antibiotics can kill 90 to 99% of the
&gt; harmful bacteria. The remaining few percent were mutants that had, only
&gt; by chance, DNA that made them resistant. These are the bacterium that
&gt; evolved to become antibiotic resistant.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; These bacterium are only the product of 60 years of evolution. If we
&gt; consider the mutations that occur over millions of years we can better
&gt; postulate how lower forms of life, gradually, generation to generation,
&gt; mutates to more complicated species.
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Lubow

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#15: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, ChooseDogma Over Reason

Posted on 2006-03-09 03:13:25 by NewNameHere

Lubow wrote:
&gt; When Einstein made the dice statement, he was working at Princeton attempting to prove unified field theory. Of course nothing ever developed from field theory. In fact, nothing Einstein did while at Princeton matched the work he had done previously in Europe. The only thing of significance he did while living in the US was to write to FDR, at the urging of Leo Szilard, about the possibility of nuclear weapons.
&gt;
&gt; Even though Einstein was the father of quantum mechanics, he abandoned further research in quantum to concentrate on unified field theory. In the meantime, both Niels Bohr and Werner Heisenberg expanded quantum mechanics to prove that the energy levels of atomic and sub-atomic particles are really sets of probabilities. This, of course, was in contrast to Einstein's theory that sub atomic particles have definite and unchanging energy levels which Einstein called, &quot;quanta.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; This dispute prompted Einstein's dice remark in the context of his belief -- and not based on experimentation -- that matter is not composed of probabilities but of definite quanta. Research over the last forty years has proven Einstein to be wrong. G-d indeed rolls the dice with everything we take as matter and reproductive biology. Everything we think of matter is composed of particles whose energy levels are stochastic and not deterministic.
&gt;
&gt; In my view, anyone who does not believe in evolution, has no right to believe in gravity and has no right to say a child has &quot;his mother's nose&quot; or &quot;his father's eyes&quot; or anything else related to heredity.
&gt;

So what ya say 'bout non-locality violating the speed of light?

Does consciousness influence creation?

What about the holographic model by Bohm?

Can turnips type?

Comments?

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Posted on 2006-03-09 03:15:21 by NewNameHere

<a href="mailto:bartonmj&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">bartonmj&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:
&gt; <a href="mailto:Lawyerkill&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">Lawyerkill&#64;aol.com</a> (Lawyerkill)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Dr Poo
&gt; Another 31% says that man did evolve, but &quot;God guided.&quot; Only 12% back
&gt; evolution and say &quot;God had no part.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; LK
&gt;
&gt; I'm almost in that 31%. I don't believe in the god of the bible, or any
&gt; of the other 4000 gods, however something helped evolution.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Piddy?

Where has Piddie been lately?

mth

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Posted on 2006-03-09 03:23:31 by NewNameHere

Gib Bogle wrote:
&gt; Let me guess. You're a Bush guy, right?

Big time.

MrTurnipHead

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#18: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, Choose Dogma Over Reason

Posted on 2006-03-09 04:02:03 by Ephraim

On 8 Mar 2006 14:20:37 -0800, &quot;Lawyerkill&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Lawyerkill&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">Lawyerkill&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;lkgeo1
&gt;G-d didnt play with dice


&gt;LK
&gt;
&gt;Hmmm, Einstein

&gt;Einstein believed the laws of nature were the god. Einstein believed in
&gt;the
&gt;Spinoza's god as he said (&quot;To Albert Einstein's 70th birthday&quot;
&gt;Sommerfeld 1949
&gt;page 103)
&gt;
&gt;&quot;Like Spinoza, Einstein denied the existence of a personal god&quot;
&gt;(&quot;Einstein and Religion&quot; Max Jammer 1999 page 47)
&gt;
&gt;Einstein also said or wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&quot;I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider
&gt;ethics to
&gt;be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind
&gt;it.&quot; &quot;The
&gt;Human Side&quot;, Selected and Edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman,
&gt;Princeton
&gt;University Press, 1979 Page 39.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the
&gt;rampant
&gt;growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more
&gt;than a
&gt;symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner experiences consist
&gt;of
&gt;reproductions and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a
&gt;soul
&gt;without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning. &quot;The
&gt;Human Side&quot;,
&gt;Selected and Edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton
&gt;University
&gt;Press, 1979 Page 40
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&quot;My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that
&gt;a
&gt;vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for
&gt;the betterment
&gt;and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver,
&gt;especially a
&gt;law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment.&quot; Letter to
&gt;M.
&gt;Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215


He was wrong about quantum mechanics, too.
It's no accident, LK, that in the creation epic a la Genesis,
God *saw*...the Creation required an *observer*.

Read _Einstein's_Moon_, in which it is recounted that Einstein
famously asked, &quot;Does the moon only exist when someone looks at it?&quot;
In the fullness of time QM answered, &quot;Yes!&quot; (Well, not really, IMO,
since the moon is macro, while the QM experiment was micro. Still,
it gives one to think, eh?)

BTW, there are recent thoughts that man may be able to create a real,
full-blown universe in the laboratory. It's been a while since I read
it, but I think Brian Greene reports that notion in one of his recent
books, perhaps _The_Foundation_of_the_Cosmos.

Also, BTW, Greene's book is currently posted in
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.audiobooks, if you are interested.
--
Regards,
Ephraim

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Posted on 2006-03-09 04:28:23 by comics

i am an independent. actually ran for mayor of south bend as a democrat.
vote both ways all the time. irreguardless, the evolution theory turned
out to be wrong. so, it is only natural that different theories be
presented to students instead of the old left wing mantra;&quot; there is no
GOD, you come from a monkey, your destiny is to serve the state
&quot;......you know, we have all heard that garbage in school in one form or
another. time for a change.

&quot; No, you don't have to give up your rights just because we are at war
&quot;............

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Posted on 2006-03-09 04:33:39 by LuckyDucky

Gib Bogle &lt;<a href="mailto:g.bogle&#64;auckland.no.spam.ac.nz" target="_blank">g.bogle&#64;auckland.no.spam.ac.nz</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Let me guess. You're a Bush guy, right?



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Posted on 2006-03-09 04:34:47 by comics

there is no evidence that any species ever evolved into another
species. what darwin saw, back in his primitive days, was
&quot;mutation&quot;....DNA evidence already proved mankind did not evolve from
apes. you are just spouting the old communist -left wing religious
mantra. you have no PROOF only a BELIEF in evolution , even after it
has been recently disproved.

&quot; No, you don't have to give up your rights just because we are at war
&quot;............

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Posted on 2006-03-09 04:44:55 by comics

ha ha you guys remind me of my old geometry teacher. back in 1969 i read
in national geographic magazine that one of pathagerams theorems had
been disproved. the one about using light to measure great distances. he
did not know at the time that gravity from a star or large planet could
bend light and back in 69 it had just been discovered that light did
bend. therefore his distance calculations that had been used for
hundreds of years were wrong. when i first told my teacher this theorem
was wrong, he got red in the face and screamed at me, calling me a liar
and every name in the book. eventually , cnn picked up the story years
later and now it is common knowledge. the same thing is happening right
here with the evolution argument. it has been proven to be flawed and
wrong, but almost everyone who grew up memorizing it, is pig biting mad
when told they were taught something totally wrong. but, it will
eventually become common knowledge to the masses.

&quot; No, you don't have to give up your rights just because we are at war
&quot;............

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#23: Re: YOU GOOF-ASS, EVOLUTION "THEORY" HAS BEEN DISPROVED.

Posted on 2006-03-09 07:27:39 by Dr Poo

On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:28:23 -0500, comics wrote:

&gt; GOD, you come from a monkey, your destiny is to serve the state &quot;......you
&gt; know, we have all heard that garbage in school in one form or another.
&gt; time for a change.

I bet you think a lot of things being taught in school are 'garbage.'

Multiplication? Fractions? The metric system? Algebra? Chemistry? Why
stop at biology.

Here's my favorite part of the article in light of your brilliant comments
on this thread:

&quot;Several characteristics correlate with belief in the biblical explanation
for the origin of humans. Those with lower levels of education, those who
attend church regularly, those who are 65 and older, and those who
identify with the Republican Party are more likely to believe that God
created humans 'as is,' than are those who do not share these
characteristics.&quot;

(Ask someone to explain this quote to you before further making an ass out
of yourself.)

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Forget you're a politician. Try thinking you're a human being. Maybe =
that will help you stop the lies. Evolution is proven fact and we see =
evidence of it everyday.=20

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Typical politician... you take an incorrect assumption --not a =
scientific law -- in one thing to prove a point in something completely =
different.=20

The use of a shadow for land measurement is not a Pythagorean law. It =
was only an assumption, which may have been fine thousands of years ago. =
In those days, people did not know that light refracts when entering a =
more dense medium nor did they know the world was spherical. But your =
example of early land measurement did not disprove a-square plus =
b-square equals c-square.

Just as Pythagorean geometry remains a fact for measure in a plane =
surface, evolution remains a fact. The species that can best adapt to =
their environment will survive and dominate the species that cannot =
adapt as well. I would love to see saber tooth tigers and wooly =
mammoths, but those species were not able to adapt to the ice age and =
subsequent global warming cycles.

Similarly, our ancestors, the small mammals that lived in a hole in the =
ground, were able to survive the environment that killed the dinosaurs. =
Back then, the earth was loaded with vegetation that produced an =
atmosphere that was super-rich in oxygen. It was great for the =
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Posted on 2006-03-09 08:29:20 by Lubow

DNA evidence already proved mankind did not evolve from
&gt; apes.

Are you a salesman by chance? I ask because salesmen are professional
bullshit artists that will tell you anything to prove their point and your
statement is an obvious lie. In fact DNA evidence has proven the exact
opposite. Ninety percent of a chimpanzee's DNA is IDENTICAL to that of a
human. Some scientists have stated that chimps are just a form of human
that evolved to better climb trees and hunt game than to use tools like our
ancestor homo erectus.

So stop making up crap and claiming it's fact. We have more proof that
evolution is a fact than we have proof that gravity exists.

It has taken EVOLUTION sixty years to produce antibiotic resistant
bacteria. If evolution can do that in a mere 60 years, it is not too
difficult to see how humans came about after millions of years of evolution.

Species do not evolve into different species, they produce offspring that
may mutate into different species. Evolution is the process where some
mutants can better survive their environment leaving less evolved species by
the wayside of archeological bit bucket.

Next time you see a Neanderthal, give him/her my best.

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#27: Re: YOU GOOF-ASS, EVOLUTION "THEORY" HAS BEEN DISPROVED.

Posted on 2006-03-09 10:03:42 by Gib Bogle

<a href="mailto:comics&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">comics&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:

&gt; i am an independent. actually ran for mayor of south bend as a democrat.
&gt; vote both ways all the time. irreguardless,

We have &quot;regardless&quot;, and we have &quot;irrespective&quot;. Choose one or the other.

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Posted on 2006-03-09 10:40:35 by au54

I am amazed at elite snobs that compare their pea brains to the infinite
wisdom of the almighty.

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#29: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, Choos...

Posted on 2006-03-09 12:35:07 by Dr Poo

On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 04:40:35 -0500, aubrey wrote:
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&gt;
&gt; I am amazed at elite snobs that compare their pea brains to the infinite
&gt; wisdom of the almighty.

I guess you consider anyone using an actual real PC as opposed to your
idiot-proof WebTV set-top box to be an elite snob.

Isn't it interesting that the only two people in this thread that are
invisible spirit advocates both happen to be using 'WebTV.'

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Posted on 2006-03-09 13:05:15 by Olneyboys

<a href="mailto:au54&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">au54&#64;webtv.net</a> &quot;aubrey&quot; ponders:

I am amazed at elite snobs that compare their pea brains to the infinite
wisdom of the almighty.



... and If we're really lucky, they'll theoretically explain how a
helicopter flies, and which two forces cause it.

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Posted on 2006-03-09 13:33:44 by Lawyerkill

Ephraim

Also, BTW, Greene's book is currently posted in
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.audiobooks, if you are interested.

LK

I read Greene's book, &quot; the elegant universe&quot; and I just finish a few
other interesting books, &quot;At the Hour of Death&quot; by Karlis Osis and
Erlendur Haraldsson&quot; and &quot;The Afterlife Experiments&quot; by Dr. Gary E.
Schwartz. Another book I found interesting was, &quot;Finding Darwin's God&quot;
by Kenneth R. Miller. He's a professor of biology and coauthor of high
school and college biology textbooks. He believes in evolution, but is
also a Christian. He takes on Michael Behe and his, &quot;irreducible
complexity&quot;(&quot;Darwin's Black Box&quot;), interesting book also.

I perfer to keep an open ming of this, god, no god, issue.

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Posted on 2006-03-09 14:09:54 by Ephraim

On 9 Mar 2006 04:33:44 -0800, &quot;Lawyerkill&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Lawyerkill&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">Lawyerkill&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Ephraim
&gt;
&gt;Also, BTW, Greene's book is currently posted in
&gt;alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.audiobooks, if you are interested.
&gt;
&gt;LK
&gt;
&gt;I read Greene's book, &quot; the elegant universe&quot; and I just finish a few
&gt;other interesting books, &quot;At the Hour of Death&quot; by Karlis Osis and
&gt;Erlendur Haraldsson&quot; and &quot;The Afterlife Experiments&quot; by Dr. Gary E.
&gt;Schwartz. Another book I found interesting was, &quot;Finding Darwin's God&quot;
&gt;by Kenneth R. Miller. He's a professor of biology and coauthor of high
&gt;school and college biology textbooks. He believes in evolution, but is
&gt;also a Christian. He takes on Michael Behe and his, &quot;irreducible
&gt;complexity&quot;(&quot;Darwin's Black Box&quot;), interesting book also.
&gt;
&gt;I perfer to keep an open ming of this, god, no god, issue.

Excellent - a nice list of books for me to check out! :-)

Yes, I read both of Greene's books. It's kind of fun to hear one read
out loud, if a trifle time-consuming.
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I guess you consider anyone using an actual real PC as opposed to your
idiot-proof WebTV set-top box to be an elite snob.

Isn't it interesting that the only two people in this thread that are
invisible spirit advocates both happen to be using 'WebTV.'


Some of us know how to use them well enough,
poo.poo

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#34: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, Choos...

Posted on 2006-03-09 22:21:23 by Dr Poo

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&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:poo&#64;poo.poo" target="_blank">poo&#64;poo.poo</a>&gt;
&gt; Subject: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead,
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&gt; invisible spirit advocates both happen to be using 'WebTV.'
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&gt; Some of us know how to use them well enough, poo.poo

Well enough to spew idiocy all over the newsgroups, apparently. It's a
testament to the ease of use of the device when even people with obvious
mental challenges are able to use it.

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#35: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead,

Posted on 2006-03-09 23:43:11 by Olneyboys

&quot;Well enough to spew idiocy all over the newsgroups, apparently. It's a
testament to the ease of use of the device when even people with obvious
mental challenges are able to use it.&quot;


This from a guy named Dr. Poo

Shall I get on my PC and spew poo, instead?

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#36: Children, behave!.

Posted on 2006-03-10 00:35:22 by Lubow

Children, behave!

-- Tommy James.

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#37: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, Choos...

Posted on 2006-03-10 02:51:16 by Dr Poo

On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:43:11 -0500, Trailer Trash wrote:

&gt; This from a guy named Dr. Poo

Pathetic how a guy with the nick 'Trailer Trash' will resort to
criticizing another's name. Seems to be a common last resort of
the typical 'defender of the almighty.'

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#38: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead,

Posted on 2006-03-10 04:36:02 by bartonmj

<a href="mailto:poo&#64;poo.poo" target="_blank">poo&#64;poo.poo</a> (Dr=A0Poo)

On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:43:11 -0500, Trailer Trash wrote:
This from a guy named Dr. Poo

Pathetic how a guy with the nick 'Trailer Trash' will resort to
criticizing another's name. Seems to be a common last resort of the
typical 'defender of the almighty.'


Trailer Trash was named after the almighty Marc LaFart.

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#39: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, Choo...

Posted on 2006-03-10 04:59:55 by Gib Bogle

Trailer Trash wrote:

&gt; <a href="mailto:au54&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">au54&#64;webtv.net</a> &quot;aubrey&quot; ponders:
&gt;
&gt; I am amazed at elite snobs that compare their pea brains to the infinite
&gt; wisdom of the almighty.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; .. and If we're really lucky, they'll theoretically explain how a
&gt; helicopter flies, and which two forces cause it.
&gt;


I know! It is supported by the power of prayer.

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#40: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead,

Posted on 2006-03-10 05:31:14 by bartonmj

<a href="mailto:bogle&#64;ihug.too.much.spam.co.nz" target="_blank">bogle&#64;ihug.too.much.spam.co.nz</a> &quot;Gib=A0Bogle&quot; realizes:

I know! It is supported by the power of prayer.


And a hidden line of string!



Trailer Trash wrote:

<a href="mailto:au54&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">au54&#64;webtv.net</a> &quot;aubrey&quot; ponders:
I am amazed at elite snobs that compare their pea brains to the infinite
wisdom of the almighty.


.. and If we're really lucky, they'll theoretically explain how a
helicopter flies, and which two forces cause it.

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#41: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead,

Posted on 2006-03-10 06:43:40 by au54

Dr Poo can operate a computer.Wow!

I am really amazed now.

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#42: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, Choos...

Posted on 2006-03-10 07:08:47 by NewNameHere

aubrey wrote:
&gt; Dr Poo can operate a computer.Wow!
&gt;
&gt; I am really amazed now.
&gt;

I thought you had a little sense, I now doubt that.

MrTurnipHead -- master gardener, chief fertilizer spreader.

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#43: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead, Choo...

Posted on 2006-03-10 10:42:07 by Frithiof Andreas Jensen

&quot;Gib Bogle&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bogle&#64;ihug.too.much.spam.co.nz" target="_blank">bogle&#64;ihug.too.much.spam.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Trailer Trash wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:au54&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">au54&#64;webtv.net</a> &quot;aubrey&quot; ponders:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I am amazed at elite snobs that compare their pea brains to the infinite
&gt; &gt; wisdom of the almighty.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; .. and If we're really lucky, they'll theoretically explain how a
&gt; &gt; helicopter flies, and which two forces cause it.
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I know! It is supported by the power of prayer.

Of Course: The device fixing the rotor in place is colloquially known as the
&quot;Jesus nut&quot; ;-)

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#44: Re: Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Virtually Brain-Dead,

Posted on 2006-03-10 11:58:32 by Olneyboys

&gt;I know! It is supported by the power of prayer.


Frithiof=A0Andreas=A0Jensen

Of Course: The device fixing the rotor in place is colloquially known as
the &quot;Jesus nut&quot; ;-)


Touch=E9, Sir!

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#45: Re: Gallup: More Americans believe in angels than in evolution

Posted on 2006-03-12 06:39:14 by Lubow

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#46: Re: Gallup: More Americans believe in angels than in evolution

Posted on 2006-03-12 17:22:20 by ausound

&quot;Lubow&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:lubow&#64;covad.net" target="_blank">lubow&#64;covad.net</a>&gt; wrote in news:91f03$4413b402$44a68a53$15206
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&gt; Anyone believe in angels?

I like how their wings bounce as they walk down the runway in those
Vicorias Secret TeeVee specials

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#47: Re: Gallup: More Americans believe in angels than in evolution

Posted on 2006-03-12 17:50:09 by blash

ausound(??) wrote:

&gt; &quot;Lubow&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:lubow&#64;covad.net" target="_blank">lubow&#64;covad.net</a>&gt; wrote in news:91f03$4413b402$44a68a53$15206
&gt; @msgid.meganewsservers.com:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Anyone believe in angels?
&gt;
&gt; I like how their wings bounce as they walk down the runway in those
&gt; Vicorias Secret TeeVee specials

Is this comics???

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