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#1: Inland revenue has wrongly calculated my tax code

Posted on 2006-07-22 19:34:55 by deltic13

Today I received a tax calculation notice from the Inland Revenue to
say that they had operated the wrong tax code during the years 2003/4
and 2004/5. It would appear that during each year I have underpaid by
=A31100 (total =A32200)

The error appears to have happened when I asked for a tax allowance for
my first child (born May 2002) and asked for a childs tax credit of
=A31049 for one year. However, it appears that they gave me an allowance
of =A310490 (note the extra 0!) and my tax code went from 473L to 950T.
I just thought that this was normal and have really not taken much
notice of my tax notices over the last few years. I am a teacher
employed by my local LEA so assume that all my tax is sorted for me.

I notice my tax code is now 1015T which is way over what it should be
(or so I have found out!) I am a basic rate tax payer.

They have informed me that I will have to repay the error starting
April 2007 and I assume that this will be over 12 months (which worked
out at =A3183 a month). I will obvioius need to have my present tax code
reassessed but I don't mind that.

Surely if the IR have made a mistake then I am not liable. I tried
ring them today but their 'systems were down'

Any experts out there know what my rights are?

Tim

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#2: Re: Inland revenue has wrongly calculated my tax code

Posted on 2006-07-22 20:52:22 by x.x

Taxed! wrote:
> Today I received a tax calculation notice from the Inland Revenue to
> say that they had operated the wrong tax code during the years 2003/4
> and 2004/5. It would appear that during each year I have underpaid by
> =A31100 (total =A32200)
>
> The error appears to have happened when I asked for a tax allowance for
> my first child (born May 2002) and asked for a childs tax credit of
> =A31049 for one year. However, it appears that they gave me an allowance
> of =A310490 (note the extra 0!) and my tax code went from 473L to 950T.
> I just thought that this was normal and have really not taken much
> notice of my tax notices over the last few years. I am a teacher
> employed by my local LEA so assume that all my tax is sorted for me.
>
> I notice my tax code is now 1015T which is way over what it should be
> (or so I have found out!) I am a basic rate tax payer.
>
> They have informed me that I will have to repay the error starting
> April 2007 and I assume that this will be over 12 months (which worked
> out at =A3183 a month). I will obvioius need to have my present tax code
> reassessed but I don't mind that.
>
> Surely if the IR have made a mistake then I am not liable. I tried
> ring them today but their 'systems were down'
>
> Any experts out there know what my rights are?
>
> Tim

There are grounds to have tax writen off in some circumstances - but
there is more to it than just the official error. You could ask for any
error to be taken into account however ultimately it is for you to
check the notices of coding.
What I cannot understand is how the allowance can be overallowed
because normally each allowance / restriction has a specific
abbreviation - but then I have not worked on PAYE for some time (
before this allowance was introduced ). If I recall correctly the
numerical value could not exceed the highest amount of the allowance.

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#3: Re: Inland revenue has wrongly calculated my tax code

Posted on 2006-07-22 21:41:05 by x.x

Taxed! wrote:

> Today I received a tax calculation notice from the Inland Revenue to
> say that they had operated the wrong tax code during the years 2003/4
> and 2004/5. It would appear that during each year I have underpaid by
> =A31100 (total =A32200)
>
> The error appears to have happened when I asked for a tax allowance for
> my first child (born May 2002) and asked for a childs tax credit of
> =A31049 for one year. However, it appears that they gave me an allowance
> of =A310490 (note the extra 0!) and my tax code went from 473L to 950T.
> I just thought that this was normal and have really not taken much
> notice of my tax notices over the last few years. I am a teacher
> employed by my local LEA so assume that all my tax is sorted for me.
>
> I notice my tax code is now 1015T which is way over what it should be
> (or so I have found out!) I am a basic rate tax payer.
>
> They have informed me that I will have to repay the error starting
> April 2007 and I assume that this will be over 12 months (which worked
> out at =A3183 a month). I will obvioius need to have my present tax code
> reassessed but I don't mind that.
>
> Surely if the IR have made a mistake then I am not liable. I tried
> ring them today but their 'systems were down'
>
> Any experts out there know what my rights are?
>
> Tim

Ignore the earlier reply. The Children Tax Credit was for 2001/02 and
2002/03 only. For 2002/03 you were due the further amount for the baby.
What I think has happened is your employer has carried forward the code
in error as the allowance should automatically be withdrawn for 6 April
2003. It used to be if the employer used the wrong code the tax office
would ask for an explanation for this. If the employer is reliable then
the employee would be liable so as not to penalise the employer -
although this may have changed. I think you have to go back to your tax
office and confirm the correct code was issued to your employer and
take it from there.

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#4: Re: Inland revenue has wrongly calculated my tax code

Posted on 2006-07-22 22:17:12 by Tim Rogers

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Taxed! wrote:

&gt; Today I received a tax calculation notice from the Inland Revenue to
&gt; say that they had operated the wrong tax code during the years 2003/4
&gt; and 2004/5. It would appear that during each year I have underpaid by
&gt; £1100 (total £2200)
&gt;
&gt; The error appears to have happened when I asked for a tax allowance for
&gt; my first child (born May 2002) and asked for a childs tax credit of
&gt; £1049 for one year. However, it appears that they gave me an allowance
&gt; of £10490 (note the extra 0!) and my tax code went from 473L to 950T.
&gt; I just thought that this was normal and have really not taken much
&gt; notice of my tax notices over the last few years. I am a teacher
&gt; employed by my local LEA so assume that all my tax is sorted for me.
&gt;
&gt; I notice my tax code is now 1015T which is way over what it should be
&gt; (or so I have found out!) I am a basic rate tax payer.
&gt;
&gt; They have informed me that I will have to repay the error starting
&gt; April 2007 and I assume that this will be over 12 months (which worked
&gt; out at £183 a month). I will obvioius need to have my present tax code
&gt; reassessed but I don't mind that.
&gt;
&gt; Surely if the IR have made a mistake then I am not liable. I tried
&gt; ring them today but their 'systems were down'
&gt;
&gt; Any experts out there know what my rights are?
&gt;
&gt; Tim

Ignore the earlier reply. The Children Tax Credit was for 2001/02 and
2002/03 only. For 2002/03 you were due the further amount for the baby.
What I think has happened is your employer has carried forward the code
in error as the allowance should automatically be withdrawn for 6 April
2003. It used to be if the employer used the wrong code the tax office
would ask for an explanation for this. If the employer is reliable then
the employee would be liable so as not to penalise the employer -
although this may have changed. I think you have to go back to your tax
office and confirm the correct code was issued to your employer and
take it from there.



Thanks for your replies. I will have to give them a bell on Monday. I
obviously want my tax code altered to the correct one with immediate effect
so I am paying the correct tax from now on. I am not one for dodging tax
(it's one of life's necessary evils!) but I don't like the idea of
effectively have to pay £183 a month extra tax as well as the £90 cut in my
take home pay (£270 down on my take home) when it is not my fault.

Tim

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#5: Re: Inland revenue has wrongly calculated my tax code

Posted on 2006-07-23 10:49:30 by Tim Rogers

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Taxed! wrote:

&gt; Today I received a tax calculation notice from the Inland Revenue to
&gt; say that they had operated the wrong tax code during the years 2003/4
&gt; and 2004/5. It would appear that during each year I have underpaid by
&gt; £1100 (total £2200)
&gt;
&gt; The error appears to have happened when I asked for a tax allowance for
&gt; my first child (born May 2002) and asked for a childs tax credit of
&gt; £1049 for one year. However, it appears that they gave me an allowance
&gt; of £10490 (note the extra 0!) and my tax code went from 473L to 950T.
&gt; I just thought that this was normal and have really not taken much
&gt; notice of my tax notices over the last few years. I am a teacher
&gt; employed by my local LEA so assume that all my tax is sorted for me.
&gt;
&gt; I notice my tax code is now 1015T which is way over what it should be
&gt; (or so I have found out!) I am a basic rate tax payer.
&gt;
&gt; They have informed me that I will have to repay the error starting
&gt; April 2007 and I assume that this will be over 12 months (which worked
&gt; out at £183 a month). I will obvioius need to have my present tax code
&gt; reassessed but I don't mind that.
&gt;
&gt; Surely if the IR have made a mistake then I am not liable. I tried
&gt; ring them today but their 'systems were down'
&gt;
&gt; Any experts out there know what my rights are?
&gt;
&gt; Tim

Ignore the earlier reply. The Children Tax Credit was for 2001/02 and
2002/03 only. For 2002/03 you were due the further amount for the baby.
What I think has happened is your employer has carried forward the code
in error as the allowance should automatically be withdrawn for 6 April
2003. It used to be if the employer used the wrong code the tax office
would ask for an explanation for this. If the employer is reliable then
the employee would be liable so as not to penalise the employer -
although this may have changed. I think you have to go back to your tax
office and confirm the correct code was issued to your employer and
take it from there.

Further to this I have found my coding notice for 2003/4 and it says 473L
correct but all my payslips from April 2003 say 973L. Perhaps my employer is
at fault although I will contact the tax office tomorrow for clarification.
If this is the case surely my employer is liable in some way?

Tim

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#6: Re: Inland revenue has wrongly calculated my tax code

Posted on 2006-07-23 12:20:20 by x.x

Tim Rogers wrote:
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:x.x&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">x.x&#64;ntlworld.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1153597265.462464.274020&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1153597265.462464.274020&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;
&gt; Taxed! wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Today I received a tax calculation notice from the Inland Revenue to
&gt; &gt; say that they had operated the wrong tax code during the years 2003/4
&gt; &gt; and 2004/5. It would appear that during each year I have underpaid by
&gt; &gt; =A31100 (total =A32200)
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The error appears to have happened when I asked for a tax allowance for
&gt; &gt; my first child (born May 2002) and asked for a childs tax credit of
&gt; &gt; =A31049 for one year. However, it appears that they gave me an allowance
&gt; &gt; of =A310490 (note the extra 0!) and my tax code went from 473L to 950T.
&gt; &gt; I just thought that this was normal and have really not taken much
&gt; &gt; notice of my tax notices over the last few years. I am a teacher
&gt; &gt; employed by my local LEA so assume that all my tax is sorted for me.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I notice my tax code is now 1015T which is way over what it should be
&gt; &gt; (or so I have found out!) I am a basic rate tax payer.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; They have informed me that I will have to repay the error starting
&gt; &gt; April 2007 and I assume that this will be over 12 months (which worked
&gt; &gt; out at =A3183 a month). I will obvioius need to have my present tax code
&gt; &gt; reassessed but I don't mind that.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Surely if the IR have made a mistake then I am not liable. I tried
&gt; &gt; ring them today but their 'systems were down'
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Any experts out there know what my rights are?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Tim
&gt;
&gt; Ignore the earlier reply. The Children Tax Credit was for 2001/02 and
&gt; 2002/03 only. For 2002/03 you were due the further amount for the baby.
&gt; What I think has happened is your employer has carried forward the code
&gt; in error as the allowance should automatically be withdrawn for 6 April
&gt; 2003. It used to be if the employer used the wrong code the tax office
&gt; would ask for an explanation for this. If the employer is reliable then
&gt; the employee would be liable so as not to penalise the employer -
&gt; although this may have changed. I think you have to go back to your tax
&gt; office and confirm the correct code was issued to your employer and
&gt; take it from there.
&gt;
&gt; Further to this I have found my coding notice for 2003/4 and it says 473L
&gt; correct but all my payslips from April 2003 say 973L. Perhaps my employer=
is
&gt; at fault although I will contact the tax office tomorrow for clarificatio=
n=2E
&gt; If this is the case surely my employer is liable in some way?
&gt;
&gt; Tim

I can only advise how these were dealt with when I was on PAYE - a long
time ago so it may have changed. Initially an explanation should be
sought from the employer / payroll administration as to why the correct
code was not used. I think there are 3 possibilities :

A) It was never received.
B) It was received but failed to operate it for various reasons.
C) It was received but used it against the wrong person.

If A applies it could mean other codes for other employees were not
received because when annual codings take place I think they were sent
in batches - although depending on the number issued.
If B and C apply then although the employer / payroll is at fault they
may not necessarily be liable - I think it was the Collector of Taxes
would direct who is liable. However in almost every case it was the
employee who has to pay it back if the employer has a good record for
operating PAYE. The reason is they would not penalise the employer for
making an innocent mistake. It may sound unfair and to be honest I
would not think there is much chance of the employer being made liable.
As I said the above may have changed - can you post what happens on
Monday ?

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#7: Re: Inland revenue has wrongly calculated my tax code

Posted on 2006-07-23 14:11:40 by Tim Rogers

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Tim Rogers wrote:
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:x.x&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">x.x&#64;ntlworld.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1153597265.462464.274020&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1153597265.462464.274020&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;
&gt; Taxed! wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Today I received a tax calculation notice from the Inland Revenue to
&gt; &gt; say that they had operated the wrong tax code during the years 2003/4
&gt; &gt; and 2004/5. It would appear that during each year I have underpaid by
&gt; &gt; £1100 (total £2200)
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The error appears to have happened when I asked for a tax allowance for
&gt; &gt; my first child (born May 2002) and asked for a childs tax credit of
&gt; &gt; £1049 for one year. However, it appears that they gave me an allowance
&gt; &gt; of £10490 (note the extra 0!) and my tax code went from 473L to 950T.
&gt; &gt; I just thought that this was normal and have really not taken much
&gt; &gt; notice of my tax notices over the last few years. I am a teacher
&gt; &gt; employed by my local LEA so assume that all my tax is sorted for me.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I notice my tax code is now 1015T which is way over what it should be
&gt; &gt; (or so I have found out!) I am a basic rate tax payer.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; They have informed me that I will have to repay the error starting
&gt; &gt; April 2007 and I assume that this will be over 12 months (which worked
&gt; &gt; out at £183 a month). I will obvioius need to have my present tax code
&gt; &gt; reassessed but I don't mind that.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Surely if the IR have made a mistake then I am not liable. I tried
&gt; &gt; ring them today but their 'systems were down'
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Any experts out there know what my rights are?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Tim
&gt;
&gt; Ignore the earlier reply. The Children Tax Credit was for 2001/02 and
&gt; 2002/03 only. For 2002/03 you were due the further amount for the baby.
&gt; What I think has happened is your employer has carried forward the code
&gt; in error as the allowance should automatically be withdrawn for 6 April
&gt; 2003. It used to be if the employer used the wrong code the tax office
&gt; would ask for an explanation for this. If the employer is reliable then
&gt; the employee would be liable so as not to penalise the employer -
&gt; although this may have changed. I think you have to go back to your tax
&gt; office and confirm the correct code was issued to your employer and
&gt; take it from there.
&gt;
&gt; Further to this I have found my coding notice for 2003/4 and it says 473L
&gt; correct but all my payslips from April 2003 say 973L. Perhaps my employer
&gt; is
&gt; at fault although I will contact the tax office tomorrow for
&gt; clarification.
&gt; If this is the case surely my employer is liable in some way?
&gt;
&gt; Tim

&gt;I can only advise how these were dealt with when I was on PAYE - a long
&gt;time ago so it may have changed. Initially an explanation should be
&gt;sought from the employer / payroll administration as to why the correct
&gt;code was not used. I think there are 3 possibilities :

A) It was never received.
B) It was received but failed to operate it for various reasons.
C) It was received but used it against the wrong person.

&gt;If A applies it could mean other codes for other employees were not
&gt;ceived because when annual codings take place I think they were sent
batches - although depending on the number issued.
If B and C apply then although the employer / payroll is at fault they
may not necessarily be liable - I think it was the Collector of Taxes
would direct who is liable. However in almost every case it was the
employee who has to pay it back if the employer has a good record for
operating PAYE. The reason is they would not penalise the employer for
making an innocent mistake. It may sound unfair and to be honest I
would not think there is much chance of the employer being made liable.
&gt;As I said the above may have changed - can you post what happens on
&gt;Monday ?

Yes I will try and post tomorrow as to what has happened as I am sure that I
am not the only person in the world to have this happen to them. If the
school (which does it's own payroll and not the LEA) is at fault then I will
also contact my union (the NUT) to see what sort of legal assistance I can
get. If I do have to pay back then:
1. I don't see any reason why I should be charged interest.
2. I should be given a decent length of time to pay.

What annoys me about all this is the fact that I am Mr 'No debt'. I always
budget to what my wife's and my take home pay is. The only debt we have is
the mortgage and I just hate owing money so the last 24 hours has caused
considerable stress.

Tim

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